Sidelined ‘indefinitely’ by ankle sprain, has David Booth played his last game as a Canuck?

Under normal circumstances, I’d say it’s hard not to feel bad for David Booth, what with the terrible luck he’s faced as a Canuck. But as we’ve covered extensively on this website, people really dislike him, be it for his exorbitant contract, his outspoken faith, his affinity for hunting, his lack of production, or all of the above. On Monday, when we suggested that the lack of news about Booth was an indication he might be out for the season with an ankle injury (which appears to be the case), one follower responded, “Karma!” as though Booth deserved a season-ending injury. That’s just absurd to me, but I don’t think that follower was alone in his thinking.

Still, if you can put aside for a moment the intense dislike that orbits Booth like a small, mostly unfair, slightly irrational moon, then it’s hard not to feel bad for him. After all, the winger has been plagued by rotten fortune since he was acquired last fall.

First there was the knee-on-knee collision with Colorado’s Kevin Porter, for which Porter missed four games to suspension but Booth missed 18 with an MCL injury. In the 62 games he did play, Booth put up 16 goals for a 20-goal pace, a nice, round number that would have earned him much softer treatment from the Vancouver faithful had he hit it, but thanks to the injury, he didn’t, and hockey fans aren’t in the business of giving credit for projected scoring. The raw fact was that Booth earned $4.2 million for 16 goals. That wasn’t good enough.

His sophomore campaign has been plagued with even more injury trouble. After the lockout (during which Booth did little to ingratiate himself to Canuck fans, filling his timeline with evangelical platitudes and kill shots), Booth strained his groin in the team’s first practice. He missed 15 games.

Then, after returning for 12, Booth sprained his ankle Saturday versus the Detroit Red Wings. According to the Canucks, he’s now out “indefinitely”.

You can see the injury occur at 6:30 of this highlight package, when a hook and a hold from Brendan Smith (pictured above, hooking and holding Booth) causes the Canuck winger to be yanked backwards, twisting his leg.

And just like that, Booth’s season appears to be over.

But with Booth’s bad luck leading to a second abbreviated and unproductive season, and with the cap coming down prior to next year, the admittedly overpaid Booth makes a lot of sense as a buyout candidate. Since he doesn’t appear to be coming back in 2013, we now now face the [joyous, for some] possibility that Booth has played his last game as a Vancouver Canuck.

Is it possible that his tenure as a Vancouver Canuck ends this way, with nothing to show for his time but a hat trick of lower body injuries and the carcass of Falcor?

I don’t think so. With the cap falling to around $64 million next season, the Canucks are going to have to make some tough decisions about who stays and who goes, but and I suspect one of those decisions will be to keep David Booth, for three reasons.

1 | They can afford it.

The club has $60 million committed for next year, and will likely be able to pare that down to $55 million with the inevitable trade of Roberto Luongo. No doubt they’ll do their best to re-sign a few of their impending unrestricted free agents — my money’s on Mason Raymond and Chris Higgins — but that should still leave room to fit Booth under the cap.

If they need to free up any more money, I suspect they’ll look to Keith Ballard as a buyout option long before Booth.

2 | He’s still better than you think.

Booth continues to do good things when he plays, even if he has struggled to do the best thing, which is score. As we’ve said many times, Booth possesses the puck like a champion, tilting the ice in the Canucks’ favour when he’s on it. Possession matters, since it leads to scoring chances for and limits scoring chances against.

Plus, I’m sure the club would be able to capitalize much more readily on the chances for if Booth could ever share the ice with a healthy and more offensively punchy Ryan Kesler for any amount of time. Kesler’s injury troubles have mirrored Booth’s in a lot of ways, but when they played together last season, they were excellent.

That in mind, I don’t think the Canucks are as troubled by Booth’s troubles this season as the fans are.

3 | They already have him.

Even with the cap going down, expect NHL salaries for depth scorers to continue to increase. If the Canucks buy Booth out, they’ll likely be forced to spend about the same amount to replace him on the free agent market — if they can even find an appropriate replacement in a market that’s looking rail-thin.

In the end, and I’m sure the God-fearing Booth will hate this colloquialism, the Canucks will likely decide that, rather than test a seller’s market, it’s better to stick with the devil you know.

All told, I’m fully prepared to eat my words here and I’m sure many of you hope that I do, but I think Booth will get a third crack at a full season with the Canucks in 2013-14.

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63 comments

  1. Dave Robinson (@dcrwrites)
    March 19, 2013

    I agree with you, but I also don’t hate David Booth. I disagree with many of his beliefs and the things he does, but accept that he has the right to hold those beliefs. Besides, he gets blasted for a lot of things he doesn’t do, as well as those he does and I don’t care for that.

    I can see a ton of good reasons why he should be back at least next year…. but it could go either way.

    Besides, looking at post-lockout signings what I’m seeing is the beginnings of a real two-tier contract system where the stars are making more than before the lockout, leaving less money for the rest of the team.

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  2. Angry Canadian
    March 19, 2013

    I guess I’m old enough to remember a time when a hockey player was judged by his skills on the hockey rink and nobody gave a damn what he did off-ice. Nowadays, it’s seems like a player is judged by all aspects. “Oh, sure, he scored 30 goals last year, but he’s a Jehovah Witness, so my acceptance rating of him goes way down”. You don’t like seeing pics of Booth with his latest kill on Twitter? Unfollow him. And unless Booth is coming to your door and making you listen to his opinions on the Good Book – his faith should not even come up in discussions.

    I hope he stays, for mine. I think this is just one of those seasons where he’s been completely snakebit and he’s got a fair amount to offer a team. We’ll see.

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  3. Kesler's Nose
    March 19, 2013

    Who really cares what he does off the ice, as long as it’s not illegal. What counts is the on-ice product which has been far from acceptable. Who would take him based on the salary, productivity and injury status. Nucks are stuck with him.

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    • Tom 1040
      March 19, 2013

      Question: Why does Kesler have a big nose?

      Answer: Because he has big fingers.

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  4. Travis
    March 19, 2013

    Booth was looking promising his last few games, his only issue , beside the silly Jesus stuff , is his salary, its too high, i hope he comes back and gets a chance to be healthy for a season and to prove the haters wrong.

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    • Kelvin Yu
      March 19, 2013

      His salary is pretty on par of what he’s capable of bringing.

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  5. Andrew
    March 19, 2013

    And just how is “the silly Jesus stuff” a problem, exactly?

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    • Thuhf
      March 19, 2013

      he places too much faith in fictional characters

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      • Daniel Wagner
        March 19, 2013

        Okay, so you think his beliefs are wrong. Why in the world should that matter? Why does that justify hate and ridicule? What does it have to do with his on-ice performance?

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        • Tom 1040
          March 19, 2013

          C’mon, Danny:

          Of course his off-ice activities are important.

          So, if Booth were a jew-hater, would you feel the same way?

          If he joined an anti-gay organization, or the KKK, would that matter?

          Of course it would matter, which is my point.

          I find his off-ice activities disgusting, so how can I cheer for him? Can’t, don’t, won’t.

          And, what’s more, what’s so great about what he has done on the ice? The most ice he’s seen has been in the trainer’s room.

          What are his Corsi vitals, Danny?

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          • err
            March 20, 2013

            Flawed logic – what he believes isn’t promoting hate or exclusion of any kind , and I agree that if that were the case, it would be abhorrent. Nothing about him exemplifies ill-will towards society, so just let him be.

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            • Tom 1040
              March 20, 2013

              Flawed logic not. How can it be flawed logic when you agree with me? Let me type this slowly for you…off-ice behaviour/activity matters (my point).

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              • Steven Ray Orr
                March 20, 2013

                And you manage to make that point by appealing to neo-Nazis. There is a difference in degree here. Does Booth beat up homosexuals in his free time? No. Does he have a belief system different than yours? Yes. I guess your argument makes sense if you’re a bigot. Sure, off-ice activities can matter… if they involve joining the KKK or the like, but not in this broad, universal, everything about his life is on the table for you to attack. Put it this way: if I told you that I didn’t like David Booth because he was a criminal, your reaction to my statement would depend on whether that crime was jaywalking or murder. You don’t like David Booth as a hockey player or as a person? Fine, but get off your high horse about it. You are not the plucky hero and this is not the grand arena.

                And for the record, it can still be flawed logic if people agree with you. It can still be flaws logic is _everyone_ agrees with you.

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              • Tom 1040
                March 20, 2013

                Reply to Stephen Ray Orr:

                Speaking of high horse, you seem to riding the tallest horse in the stable.

                Some (very few) might think your argument substantial, but you also are arguing my point, exactly: off-ice matters it depends on degree and therefore subjective – each his own.

                I am not asking you or anyone to have the same belief system as mine or anyone else’s, I am saying that I find his off-ice behaviour disgusting and it matters whether or not I will cheer for him or wish him any success in anything he does.

                I think your arrogance has blinded you. Certainly, I disregard your implied insults.

                For the record, I should have written: How can You say it is flawed logic when you agree with it?

                Is that better?

                For the record, jaywalking is common law, not criminal.

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              • Steven Ray Orr
                March 21, 2013

                Tom, you seem to think that you can hide behind a defense of soft relativism in order to speak nonsense and be justified: “everyone is allowed their own opinion, so everyone gets to be right. Therefore I win!”. Claiming that the difference is just “subjective” does not mean that you magically become right. I will grant the point that you failed to clearly articulate (and then ignored with my distinction): SOME off ice activities might matter, but what David Booth does in his spare time is nothing like being a member of the KKK, and to imply that they are equal activities is idiocy. Which is exactly what you did in order to make your dislike seem more reasonable. Subjectivity is not an appeal to logic, it’s an appeal to opinion.

                The differences between our high horses is that I didn’t come on mine with neo-Nazis. I’m not implying any insults and if you took me to be throwing some, you’ve mistaken me for someone who cares at all about you as a human being. Other than being mildly irked that you bothered to use my middle name but failed to spell my given one properly, I am indifferent to _you_. I’m just tired of people hating on Booth as a hockey player for anything other than his hockey plays. If people don’t want to cheer for him because he’s a Christian or a hunter or a twitter user or whatever, fine, but they should stop pretending that it has anything to do with hockey or his abilities as a hockey player.

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          • Tom 1040
            March 21, 2013

            Gee Stevie…

            Has anyone told you that you the things you do with words don’t add up to much?

            First, the KKK etc. compared to Booth was not done by me, it was done by you. Extremes are used to highlight the principle of a point being: off-ice activities matter (it is just a matter of degree). I don’t intend to claim that I am right, once again you do that, I claim freedom of choice.

            Next, easy to say someone is hiding behind of cloak of relativism – though, of course, it doesn’t make it true just because you say/write it.

            Third, apparently you are not indifferent to me. Once again, just because you say/write it doesn’t make it true as with not intending to insult.

            Fourth, I stopped reading your drivel well before it was finished, so please continue wasting your time.

            Finally, here to defend Booth? Go ahead, get down on your hands and knees and worship the frozen water he works on – I am indifferent.

            Or, here to defend a principle?

            Ah, indeed, it is you, the plucky hero, the has entered the grand arena armed with double-barreled verbal diarrhea.

            Funny how that is so often true.

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            • Steven Ray Orr
              March 21, 2013

              So first I get a cute nickname and then you ignore the substance of my response. I am absolutely shocked that you aren’t interested in an actual, honest discussion. Enjoy hating Booth and, more importantly, enjoy your soft relativism.

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              • Tom 1040
                March 22, 2013

                Dear Steven,

                Actually, I really don’t find much substance in anything you say other than because you say something; therefore, it must be the case.

                For example, “…actual, honest discussion…”

                Oh, is that what it is?

                Back to the point: Off-ice behaviour matters.

                Here’s another example: If I were on the Canucks, would you ‘cheer’ for me?

                Not likely.

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  6. Connor
    March 19, 2013

    I am a big fan of David Booth, I like what he brings to the team when he is healthy. His speed and physical presence are the exact things Canuck fans have been clamouring for. He is overpaid, but only by the amount of one entry level contract.
    As for his religion and hunting, we should be proud that this is a guy who is not afraid to be himself. Make no mistake, I am not religious, I abhor his political choices, and do not enjoy hunting, but that doesn’t mean he is a bad guy or a bad player.
    I would be very happy if David Booth were to stay with the team.

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  7. BakerGeorgeT
    March 19, 2013

    David Booth can’t handle the puck, no matter what his corsi rating suggests. He is easily knocked off the puck when he handles to puck through the neutral zone, he doesn’t receive passes well (bouncing off him like he were Roberto Luongo) and isn’t nearly as physical as you’d like to see a guy billed as a power forward.

    Oh and he had one measly empty net goal to show for 12 games this season. You can’t pay $4,5 million for a guy who takes shots from sharp (re: bad) angles, doesn’t really play physical enough and has meatball hands.

    No, I don;t think David Booth should come back. And certainly not at his cap hit.

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    • Tom 1040
      March 20, 2013

      Well said, BGT.

      In a way, I like Booth because he shows what a brutal GM Gillis is.

      Samuelsson was in last year of contract, then dumped.

      Sturm, same.

      In 6 months, Tallon cleared 4.5M in cap space as well as dumping Reinprect and saving his owner 1.5M.

      By the way, remember the Cody Hogdson trade? Well, the throw in, Alex Sulzer, has 3x as many goals as Booth, and none of them garbage empty-net gift goals.

      Attaboy, Gillis.

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  8. ryley
    March 19, 2013

    “Kesler’s injury troubles have mirrored Booth’s in a lot of ways, but when they played together last season, they were excellent.” If i’m not mistaken, wasn’t one of the big issues last year how Kesler and Booth didn’t play well together last year?

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    • Rob
      March 19, 2013

      They played well together when Kesler was being ‘Kelser the unselfish playmaker’ they didn’t play well together when Kesler was being ‘Kesler the one man army.’ Remember that Kesler didnt have a great year last year, he went long stretches trying to be a one-man-show and both Booth and Raymond struggled to play along side him at times.

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      • Rob
        March 19, 2013

        Oops typo Kelser…. lol

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    • Harrison Mooney
      March 19, 2013

      That was the perception. But actually, they played quite well together. http://vansunsportsblogs.com/2012/04/20/drance-numbers-ryan-kesler-and-david-booth-have-chemistry/

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      • akidd
        March 19, 2013

        “but actually”? you see that’s just the crux of it right there. this isn’t stats informing observation. it’s stats completely taking over. not cool. hockey is a lot more subtle than numbers belie. but even more so i think it’s arrogant and manipulative the idea that the general public is mistaken while only ‘the keepers of the secret wisdom’ can see the truth. where have we hear that before?

        booth underwhelmed in vancouver and we were all witness to it. but you guys are like pitbull-fascists with your stat sh*t. grow up:)

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        • Harrison Mooney
          March 21, 2013

          Not sure how pointing out the numbers that are readily available to everyone all of the time makes us “keepers of secret wisdom”.

          Sometimes our eyes betray us because we have preconceived notions and biases and we filter our game-watching experience through that. So the numbers can help to get away from skewed perception, and in the case of Booth, whose critics tend to conflate his off-ice life with his on-ice performance, they’re invaluable for getting at his actual contributions.

          If you can’t see that, I can’t help you, man.

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          • akidd
            March 23, 2013

            hey, just saw your reply. i’ll send this out into the void anyways. if you were using stats to enhance your perception of booth’s play i’d completely understand. but it really appears like the stats have completely taken over your perception in this case. if you watched booth you’d see a guy who was more more less lost out there when it came to playmaking in AV’s puck possession game. maybe it’s just the contrarian urge but you guys are so stubborn about the idea that your new toy(corsi, pdo, etc) had all the answers that you ignored what was happening on the ice. you wanted to believe and it skewed your perception. happens all the time.

            I know it’s fun to feel the burn of some newfound knowledge and to want to believe that not only you’ve found the answer but that that you have the advantage over the uninitiated. it’s a rush. but things sort themselves out over time. and you’ll see how there are some pretty solid checks and balances to anything absolute in this world. you’ll look back at your body of work on booth and have a chuckle.

            but it’s all good. and it’s all good fun.

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  9. TubaNat
    March 19, 2013

    I always enjoyed watching Booth, because you could tell he was always pushing himself, even when he wasn’t getting the results (the same reason I like Dale Weise). Never just phones it in. And actually seems to be a genuine, transparent and enthusiastic guy off the ice. I am genuinely sad that he’s out, because the game needs more personalities, not less.

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  10. Winsy
    March 19, 2013

    I say good riddance. Besides being a LAZY hockey player, there isn’t really anything specific that I dislike about him, I just find that he is not being himself and maybe compensating for something. I have just never liked the guy since the first interview on HNIC After Hours when he was on live TV with food particles stuck on his face. Anyways…

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    • Daniel Wagner
      March 19, 2013

      Wait, LAZY? You actually think he’s lazy? I…I don’t even know how to respond to that. Of all the complaints about Booth, that’s the one that makes the least amount of sense.

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  11. Dane
    March 19, 2013

    I think he will stay and I hope that he does! Aside form his horrendous luck with injuries and sometimes with putting it in the back of the net, more often than not he looks dangerous on the ice. Depending on what we get back for Luongo/Schneider (I’m stilling holding onto a slim possibility that, as much as I like him as well, Schneider may go), at worst, Booth could be used in a trade for a 2nd/3rd line centre if Lapierre isn’t resigned or a couple of depth wingers if needs be. I think he has more value to the team than ending up being bought out. Some teams may jump at the opportunity to acquire him.

    I still can not fathom how he can be unliked for his choice in hobbies or faith. I’d be really annoyed if anyone said they dsiliked me becuase I play Golf occasionally or because I think Odin is the one true god. Some people are just strange.

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  12. steveB
    March 19, 2013

    I will always love him for his reply to Kesler’s fancy-pants hotel restaurant sandwich tweet with “I just ate a gas station sandwich.”

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    • Harrison Mooney
      March 19, 2013

      Still my favourite Booth tweet.

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  13. chinook
    March 19, 2013

    Good to see that all but two commenters (to this point) are on the same page as Mr. Mooney. On the ice I see Booth as direct and hard-working – tough on the boards, hard to the net, go through a wall. Off the ice very few professional athletetes reveal much of their interests, activities or families. It didn’t used to be that way but perhaps Booth’s experience will ensure the current trend continues. Luongo’s great interest in gambling is a rare exception of a player disclosing an outside interest, and I find it curious that no fans seem to rant about gambling’s dark side compared to Booth going hunting.

    Life is much more interesting if we aren’t all the same.

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    • BakerGeorgeT
      March 19, 2013

      Why does it matter so much that he’s a nice guy? I’m sure he’s a sweetheart. In fact, that’s how he plays on the ice. But judging by comments here, Booth is untouchable. And because of his contract, he is.

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  14. RG
    March 19, 2013

    Excellent analysis of the situation, as per usual. Unless MG pulls off a heist and packages a 2nd liner in the Luongo deal that is an upgrade on Booth for less of a cap hit, then Booth will be in Vancouver next year.

    And hating on an athlete for being a Christian is like hating on an athlete for being openly gay. Get over it.

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    • tj
      March 19, 2013

      Love it: equating homosexuality and Christianity like you just did, in some circles would cause all manner of problems.

      I don’t care what Booth does in his off-time, as long as he doesn’t hurt anyone. Well, any human as he clearly hurts someone in the name of sport (my personal belief is I don’t like the killing; hey, if he can have his, I can have mine). But that is not my reason for feeling meh about him. In fact ‘reason’ doesn’t really factor into it; nor do stats, or any other ‘proofs.’ I’ve never been excited by him as a player, and that is just a feeling, and completely my prerogative, just as his off-ice life is his.

      But run him out of town, no. I despise that kind of fandumb. But if he were no longer a part of the team, and we were to obtain someone somewhat comparable, let’s just say I would not mind.

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  15. akidd
    March 19, 2013

    i’ve spilled a lot of ink over this booth guy so i won’t repeat myself here. I just want to say that i expect the canucks to get better with him out of the lineup. the skill, smarts and vision out there won’t be reduced to his lowest common denominator any longer. forwards will be set free to create plays and prosper.

    i wish him well on whatever team he plays on next.

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  16. Andre
    March 20, 2013

    Harrison, you suck.

    You hide behind the “plausible deniability” of a writer who says that he embraces David Booth, no matter how un-Vancouverite his habits and manners, but you never stop bringing them up or writing about them. Unlike any other Canuck player.

    It’s like proclaiming that some of you best friends are evangelical bear-hunters and how lovely that is, your hypocrisy in full display. If it doesn’t matter to you, why do you keep giving it full prominence every chance you get?

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    • Daniel Wagner
      March 20, 2013

      Seriously? We’re not the ones that keep bringing it up. It’s something that’s constantly harped on by Canucks fans on Twitter and crops up with some frequency in the mainstream media as well. We keep talking about it because, for some reason, it’s a point of view that needs to be refuted.

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      • Andre
        March 20, 2013

        Hmm, seriously.

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  17. goat10000
    March 20, 2013

    The shocking thing about all this to me is that Kevin Bieksa has never fired a gun.

    I guess that’s the thing about making your whole life hockey to make it into the NHL. You miss out on a lot.

    Anyhow, I like Booth, and hope he is back next year.

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  18. Mt
    March 20, 2013

    I don’t care much to get in the silly Booth is good or bad conversation. It’s silly. What I find even sillier, though, is the amount of self-congratulatory-supposed rationality on such subjects–in this case the declaration that Booth’s off-ice antics don’t matter. I think we could use some recognition of the fact that being a hockey fan is a highly irrational behavior.

    Were we just being rational, there is only a 1 in 30 chance that the home team would be our favorite team. But in reality, we forge irrational tribal-esque relationships with the home team and its players. Blogs, this one and others, as well as the mainstream media focus on personalities and storylines (often thin ones at that) as much as the play. Even if it falls short of fetishistic idol-worship (and it often doesn’t) it is still a matter of developing one-way relationships with players who function in our minds similar to fictional characters. And as for the play, rationally, hockey is silly, but in human terms we see pitched battles, beauty, grace and violence. This is not a rational experience.

    All that said, my point is that it DOES matter what Booth does off the ice. Personally I’m ambivilant but not indifferent. I’m not a big fan of his antics but that’s people–they aren’t all exactly what I want them to be and I’m glad he’s being himself and not pretending otherwise. Also, it allows me to develop a relationship with the guy. That’s what’s at play here for people–Booth allows people to do that even if the relationship is negative. Those fan-player relationships are why people read this blog (ie. Bieksa’s humour, Strombone1 tweets, etc) and a large part of what makes being a sports-fan compelling.

    All the above is a general rant an not directed directly at our bloggers, who’s writing I enjoy. That said, I do find it a bit silly to keep holding the high rational ground and pretending it doesn’t matter again and again and again (and again and again). Of course it matters, that’s why you bring it up. It’s the stuff of blogs. Its the stuff of sports theater. It’s the stuff that makes us fans. It makes all the difference here so lets at least not pretend that only his possession numbers matter.

    Yours in self confessed irrationality,
    Mt

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    • Mt
      March 20, 2013

      Holy jumpin’, I just blogged the blog. For the 1 person who will actually read that, sorry for the length.

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  19. Chris the Curmudgeon
    March 20, 2013

    David Booth should spend time in the off season learning how to shoot the puck where the goalie isn’t. That would be a fundamentally different skill than the shooting he normally practises in his spare time. A couple off seasons ago, Kesler spent his time honing his shot, and the result was a 41 goal year. Could the same work for Booth?

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    • Mt
      March 20, 2013

      Maybe that’s the problem: he mistakes the goalies, and not the net, for prey.

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  20. BBoone
    March 20, 2013

    I am one of those who think Booth is an arrogant fool to be bragging about his personal life and making it public. Nonetheless I hope he gets a further chance with the team when he recovers and that the Canucks would be foolish to buy him out. He , should however, spend a lot of his training shooting a puck at hockey targets. Surely accurate shooting is a learnable skill for an elite athlete as fit as David Booth. Regardless I hope he succeeds . By the way the the guy who mentioned “Karma” does not understand the word. It is Sanskrit for “action” and simply , and profoundly, means that actions beget actions and they are all interdependent. In other words all actions, no matter how small have consequences like the ripples of a pebble in water. There is absolutely no intent whatsoever of any theistic justice , reward or punishment. That is just the Western cartoon translation as if there is some higher power keeping score. That is %100 percent not what karma means. It is a core principle of Eastern wisdom traditions for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is to remind one that what you do, no matter how small, matters , often in completely unforeseen way. Best then to consider what you do and say with care.

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  21. shoes
    March 20, 2013

    I am starting to find that many (not all) Vancouver fans are acting like spoiled little pukes in their view of the team, simply because they are bandwagoners that have not been around all that long. The hate for Booth, Kesler and Luongo has been mind boggling and I think that many feel that if Ron Maclean, Mike Milbury, mullets everywhere and others say it enough it must be true. Kesler has been injured since his Selke season……which was his 3rd nomination in a row. Booth has been injured or recovering much of his time. Luongo is the best goaltender the Canucks have ever had and yet all 3 get the “trade him” bellowing from the armchair and keyboard.

    As far as hating him because he hunts or is Christian…..sheesh, the hunting would put him the 95% of Northerners that hunt and Christian would put him in the majority of North Americans. As long as he doesn’t refuse to attend the Whitehouse when we win the cup, I will ignore his other off ice activities.

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    • goat10000
      March 20, 2013

      I dare say there is likely a fair amount of Christians and even…*gasp*…hunters (!) in the Liwer Mainland. Maybe not in high-rise condos, but still…

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    • Tom 1040
      March 20, 2013

      Gee, Mr. shoe-rt term memory…

      …some fans want the whole package like in Luongo’s case. The new Luongo is given much more latitude in goal because his new and improved off-ice attitude. Have you forgotten his me-first, non-accountable attitude, not to mention his epic chokes in the playoffs. Best goal-tender in club history means very little without a little context.

      …and Kesler is truly a knob. I don’t know or care if he is a Christian. He dives. He makes the team look bad for his on-ice antics. Trade him.

      …and the Canucks can dump Booth for both on and off-ice behaviour. Florida and the deep South was a good place for him in many respects.

      Hamhuis for his off-ice activities (yes, a huge Christian) and the Sedins for theirs get more latitude and should.

      The whole package is important for some, like myself, because winning isn’t everything, all the time, for everyone. How you win is important as is who you win with.

      IMO.

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      • Rob
        March 20, 2013

        I don’t agree with you often, but this time I do. Well Said.

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      • RG
        March 20, 2013

        I’m sure the Broad Street Bullies are quite happy with the fact that they won, rather than how they won.

        Brett Hull doesn’t care how many feet were in the crease – he still won.

        Sports teams are judged by their successes, and the Canucks have never succeeded at what matters most. I’ll take the Cup however it comes.

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        • Tom 1040
          March 21, 2013

          I am sure they do. Those guys are great role models…for thugs and goons. Not for me.

          Okay, you want to win under any circumstance, then why not rig the games while you are at it?

          Go ahead wish for anything you want and under any circumstance you want as winning is everything to you.

          As per my comments, not me. Winning is important, but it is surely not the only thing.

          By the way, you are not on the team, so you can ‘win’ the Cup any year you choose to support the winning team in any city.

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  22. Scott
    March 21, 2013

    Booth’s off ice activities simply reveal how unintelligent he is, which is a direct reflection of his on ice performance. He plays for Vancouver. Vancouver is a liberal city where a lot of people are not overly excited about evangelicalism or bear baiting, yet he makes these views public. This is a complete failure to read the city of Vancouver. Guess what else Booth can’t read? He can’t read the ice. His lack of off ice intelligence manifest on the ice.

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    • Daniel Wagner
      March 21, 2013

      Vancouver is a liberal city that is supposedly open-minded and accepting, so why shouldn’t he make his personal views public? Why is evangelical Christianity somehow the worst thing in the world? Why shouldn’t he share his passion for hunting, a hobby that he likely shares with a large percentage of Canucks fans that reside outside of Vancouver, such as the rest of British Columbia?

      You’re making a lot of assumptions based on what a guy posts on his Twitter account.

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  23. Scott
    March 21, 2013

    I am talking about bear baiting not hunting. Bear baiting is illegal in BC, so I don’t think he’s sharing that passion with too many British Columbians. You are making assumptions that are not even possible and misrepresenting what I wrote. Where do I mention hunting?

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    • Daniel Wagner
      March 21, 2013

      Fair point, I misread that part of your comment. Still, my point regarding evangelicalism stands.

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      • BBoone
        March 21, 2013

        Daniel, the PITB hockey analysys is second to none and humour is great. For obvious reasons It is simply good manners not to mention religion or politics unless you are running for office, standing in a pulpit , or among good friends. Morevover Booth is an employee of the Vancouver Canucks and in essence his salary is paid by Canucks fans .They are people of all religions and creeds and a fair number who don’t like killing defenseless sentient beings for kicks ( stalk them and take a photograph instead ) . Therefore there is no upside to bragging about ones particular version of higher power superstitions nor any reason to trumpet killing sprees. One major theme of this whole thread has been that “celebrities” who take themselves far too seriously on some soap box end up being embarrassed and creating problems for their employers . I agree wholeheartedly with the fellow who basically said he hopes Booth (and others ) finally realize this and simply stop. Then we can all stop and get back to hockey. I agree with your analysis of Booth’s value and if he can ever regain his scoring touch then the Canucks have a keeper as he is a bona fide , hard working power forward in every other respect.

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        • Daniel Wagner
          March 21, 2013

          I appreciate what you’re saying, but the problem is that Booth hasn’t really done anything wrong. He posted some pictures of him with animals he killed during hunts, yes, but hockey players tweet or otherwise publicise pictures of them with fish they’ve caught and no one says anything. Paul Bissonette tweets out pictures of himself with his one night stands that I find more offensive than Booth’s hunting pictures and people laugh it off.

          As for his religion, I have frequently asked people to direct me to the tweets of his that express an offensive or hateful opinion and have been told that I need to “read between the lines.” I also don’t see any “bragging” like you suggest. I honestly don’t think he’s said anything to earn himself the level of hate that he receives.

          Yes, the Canucks have fans of all religions and creeds. That includes evangelical Christians and those who enjoy hunting. Why shouldn’t he share his passions with Canucks that share them? If you don’t share those passions, don’t follow him on Twitter. It’s not like the pictures and tweets of his are on the Canucks website or promoted at all through the Canucks organization. They’re only on his Twitter account, which you can choose to follow or not.

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          • BBoone
            March 21, 2013

            Well, anything on a twitter account is now in the public domain and anything sensational will end up all over the place. I certainly did not see the murdered bear picture on his twitter account but via some Vancouver news site webpage . When you promote pictures of yourself with your conquests then you are putting yourself out there for public comment both pro and con. You don’t need public validation to enjoy your passions .If you don’t want the backlash , don’t publish controversial material about yourself and lastly I cry UNCLE with this issue. Lets get back to hockey.

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            • Daniel Wagner
              March 22, 2013

              Ha! Fair enough. Hockey!

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            • Tom 1040
              March 22, 2013

              My thoughts, too. Exactly my thoughts.

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