CTV quotes Canucks.com forum in “news” story about Booth hunting bear

David Booth created a lot of controversy when he first tweeted a picture of a bear he killed on a hunting excursion then shared the video of the event as well. Many people have strong opinions on the subject and it seems like no one can agree on any aspect of the story.

Well, thanks to CTV, we can all agree on one thing: CTV doesn’t know what a blog is.

You may be asking, “What does that have to do with Booth shooting a bear with a bow and arrow?” Well, CTV decided to do a story on the outrage that has been kicked up over Booth’s actions, but instead of going to the trouble of finding some people who were outraged and getting a quote from them or finding another article written about the subject to cite – y’know, journalism – they decided that random commenters on the Canucks.com message boards were a trustworthy source.

Despite the intentions of the show’s producers, some fans have not taken kindly to the footage.

“What a disgusting way to send [sic] the off season… David, work more on your wrist shot rather than shooting innocent bears,” wrote one blogger.

Some chastised Booth, WILD TV, and hunting itself for unnecessary brutality.

Other, however, were more forgiving.

“I bet 95% of the people complaining about Booth killing an innocent bear would have zero hesitation in regards to calling animal control if they found one in their neighbourhood who would likely put down the bear,” one blogger wrote.

While it would be ludicrous enough to just quote “one blogger” without citing the source, I understand why the writer of the article didn’t want to do so. The first quote comes from TwinTelepathy, from the Canucks.com forum thread, “[New Video] David Booth Bruin Hunting, Shoots Down Chara?” and the second quote is from n00bxQb in the same thread.

Using those names in a news article might make said article look a little ridiculous. It might make it look like the person writing the article put approximately zero effort into said article. It might call into question the entire premise of said article.

To make it look a little more official, CTV claimed that the quotes came from one step up the internet reliability ladder – from “random message board commenter” to “blogger” – instead of simply saying that they came from a Canucks fan message board. As a blogger, I take offence.

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32 comments

  1. peanutflower
    May 15, 2012

    that’s pretty lazy reporting on CTV’s part. It’s pretty easy to come up with a story and then find whatever scurilous “facts” there are to support it, right? Facts+CDC=nonsense.

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    • Nee
      May 15, 2012

      Very true.

      I love your profile pic, by the way. I think the exact same thing every time I’m watching a playoff game now.

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      • peanutflower
        May 16, 2012

        I can send it to you if you want.

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  2. Lucky
    May 15, 2012

    What a stupid news story by CTV. Using canucks.com message board as a source is like using wikipedia for university papers – don’t do it, info isn’t always reliable (and it’s being lazy)!

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  3. Melissa W.
    May 15, 2012

    Clearly nobody did their citations correctly. I wonder what Canadians reactions would be if it was found out that the “bloggers’” are just really people posting on forum hiding behind a username… Bet they wouldn’t be too happy.

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  4. Jeff
    May 15, 2012

    So I realise I’m late to the party regarding the bear hunting discussion, and this blog post is really about the news article, but I’d like to weigh in on something I haven’t seen anybody discuss.

    I have relatives who hunt pigs in Europe. They have a clearing in the woods where they’ve built a Hochsitz (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hochsitz) (high seat, or perch), and they sit in the Hochsitz and wait for the pigs to show up and then shoot them when they do. This isn’t the whole story, however. In the weeks preceeding the shoot they visit the site and scatter corn in the area in front of the Hochsitz to attract the pigs. This ensures a successful hunt.

    I can’t say for sure, because all I have to go on is the video, but it sure looks like this is what Mr. Booth is doing here. The presence of the metal drum and the point of view of the camera suggests to me that his guides have been prepping the spot by luring the bear with food, and all Mr. Booth has to do it sit in the Hochsitz and wait for the bear to show up.

    If this is indeed the case, I have to say it’s not very sporting. Sure, it requires some bit of skill by the shooter to make sure he hits the bear in the right spot, and I suppose we’re getting down to semantics here, but I would call this “shooting”, not “hunting”.

    Of course, my read of this could be all wrong.

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    • pooroldbear
      May 15, 2012

      Sounds like a case for CTV, this speculation right here.

      Harrison and Mooney, you are right to be offended as bloggers. You guys can be WAY more random than we who simply comment (when ur doin it right). Plus you put your real names to it, which used to be considered relevant.

      As for using the posts on the CDC forum as sources, I don’t know a single word to describe this… is “barrel-scraping” a word? Calling it lazy journalism is only half right.

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    • JRP
      May 15, 2012

      I would call it “slaughtering”…

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      • Jeff
        May 15, 2012

        I suppose it depends what you mean by slaughtering. If you mean “the killing of animals for food”, then yes, I agree with you. If you mean “to kill in a brutal or violent manner”, I’m not sure. I’m certainly no animal expert, so I don’t know how long a bear would live after being shot where/how it was. Then again, how do you kill an animal without violence? Lethal injection might qualify I suppose…

        My father is a hunter, and while he always tries to make the kill quick (both for his sake and the animal’s), it doesn’t always work out that way; the animal can live to put considerable distance between it and the hunter. In some cases the hunter doesn’t find the kill at all. This is unfortunate, but I don’t think we can judge the act by itself; we have to consider the intent.

        In any case, I’m not going to debate whether he should or shouldn’t have done what he did; I was just interested to see the manner in which he did it. I’m not a hunter, but I can certainly see the allure of tracking, stalking, and taking down prey. Sitting in a high seat while the animal comes to you doesn’t hold much appeal for me, even in my imagination.

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        • Jon
          May 16, 2012

          In my limited knowledge of bear hunting, it’s not just a matter of sitting for a day and shooting. You have to scout ahead, figure out the bear’s routine, and restock the bait barrel often. Now, all of this may have been done for Booth by the hunting outfitters and that’s another argument in itself. But my point is that its not exactly the mindless killing that so many seem to see here.

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    • Tom
      May 15, 2012

      If he kills it and eats it, or the useable parts are made use of, I see nothing wrong with it. If someone kills an animal just for the fun of it – or perhaps simply to enjoy making something else dead – then I feel fairly safe saying that that would be wrong.

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  5. Max
    May 15, 2012

    As a regular CDC user I can say confidently

    CDC does not equal news-worthy material.

    I should really stop going on CDC…

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  6. SteveB
    May 15, 2012

    Pending CTV headline:
    According to a reliable blogger, Alexandre Burrows is not “clutch”
    http://forum.canucks.com/topic/211587-burrows-do-we-really-need-him/

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    • akidd
      May 15, 2012

      hee, hee. burrows is not clutch. hee hee. go with brown. hee hee. 2008. hee hee.

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  7. Timmy Wong
    May 15, 2012

    If CDC was a blogging site, Damian Cox would actually have a point.

    http://passittobulis.blogspot.ca/2010/11/damien-cox-and-surprise-sneak-attack-on.html

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  8. Mike
    May 15, 2012

    I haven’t read any where if he kept the bear to eat (which could make “hunting” a bear OK), but it sounds like they lured the bear with food and then killed it. Not very sporting or manly. He should stick to killing bruins on the ice only as I have no real respect for people that kill for sport.

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    • pooroldbear
      May 15, 2012

      What sounds like they lured the bear with food and then killed it? Because I think we’ve just made that part of the story up today right here in the now off-topic comments section, thereby unintentionally confirming the original point of the blog post, namely that people who post comments are kind of winging it in a more casual way than if properly questioned by a reporter who’ll publish their names on the answers in the newspaper.

      It might be a bait station, and it might not – it might just be a place where bears often turn up and you get a call when they do, like near a town’s trash facility. If you would lure a bear with food inside a sealed barrel, which is what the bear was batting around in the video (and surely would not have been interested in if there were bait laid out properly nearby), thumbs-up the comment above. I’m pretty sure none of you guys will be eating much bear meat in future, one way or the other. ;)

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  9. Wetcoaster
    May 15, 2012

    At least CTV got the quotes right… unlike that paragon of print journalism The Toronto Star that published a misquote drawn from Wikipedia improperly attributed to GM Mike Gillis referring to Rick Rypien as “crazy”. http://www.thestar.com/opinion/publiceditor/article/1041612–english-don-t-trust-wikipedia

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  10. akidd
    May 15, 2012

    it’s the new parity. hee hee.

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  11. biznow
    May 15, 2012

    The CDC is incredible. When I’m on there I get the same feeling I get when I’m watching Ancient Aliens. I know its a steaming pile of garbage, but I can’t take my eyes off it. I get to scoff at all the “information” and feel really smart, like watching Teen Jeopardy and feeling proud of myself when I get a couple answers right.

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    • biznow
      May 15, 2012

      try changing your name to d@ni3L w@Gn3R and maybe they’ll quote you…. of course you’ll be referred to as “one blogger”, but we’ll all know.

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  12. BedBeats
    May 15, 2012

    Oh no!!! CTV uses CDC as a source! Just like I-Mac, Botchford, TEAM 1040, et al, for op-ed pieces syphoned from CDC.

    The relationship between that messageboard and sportsmedia has been a ghastly, symbiotic relationship for many years now.

    Both CDC and the Van.Sun/Province writers are just as lazy and devoid of any coherent rational opinion. Melodramatic and lame.

    As bloggers…you have every right to be pissed. This is by faaar the better fan blog sites around.

    There..i got that off my chest. Im still suprised nobody has never taken the local sports media to task for stealing ideas from the morons (and for that matter, great fans who know their shit) on that messageboard.

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    • peanutflower
      May 16, 2012

      But I always get the feeling that the “great fans who know their shit,” the fans who have posted 15,872 times on CDC are only there lurking and waiting to pounce on anyone who comes up with a lame topic, or lame response, or inaccurate figures, or an opinion that is different than theirs. It’s a real little oligarchy in there, that’s for sure.

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  13. trapeze
    May 15, 2012

    As much as I like the anchor crew (I think they’re from ACTRA), CTV News is a joke. Infotainment epitomized. They call investigative journalism anything that doesn’t originate in a media release. You heard it here first, folks: Man Bites Dog. CTV Reporter Asks a Question.

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  14. seethruhead
    May 15, 2012

    one step up the internet reliability ladder – from “random message board commenter” to “blogger” – As a blogger, I take offence.”

    oooh, you are sooo much better than us

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  15. Shand
    May 16, 2012

    Offseason, f*** yeah!

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  16. peanutflower
    May 16, 2012

    I have another beef against CTV, and Chek TV and any other local TV news outlet — and this is on a completely different topic, so sorry about that. The Giro d’Italia is currently being held. It is a grueling — incredibly grueling stage cycling race like the Tour de France but longer and harder. The leader until yesterday in the general classification was Victoria’s own Ryder Hesjedal. It’s the first time in history that a Canadian has worn the pink jersey, let alone do it for two days. Ryder has been named the team leader for Garmin Barracuda. Today the stage was 258 k. That’s 7 hours on a bike. And they get to do it all over again tomorrow and for another 11 days. And yet not one mention on any newscast about this incredible achievement. If Cleve Dheensaw of the Times Colonist was not a friend of Ryder’s from Victoria we probably would not even see any articles about him at all. Ryder could end up winning the whole thing as he is a climber and a lot of the remaining stages are mountainous. I’m hoping that CTV or CBC or Chek or someone picks this up and at least give him a shout out.

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    • Jon
      May 16, 2012

      Try TSN, they cover Hesjedal’s cycling.

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      • peanutflower
        May 16, 2012

        I know — I record it every day. that’s not what I mean, really. It’s more that the mainstream TV news should at least mention such a remarkable accomplishment.

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  17. rob
    May 17, 2012

    How times and PC have changed the view of the same issue.

    Tiger Williams, Vanc Canuck player- legally hunted bear with bow and arrow every summer in Sask. folk hero and beloved character

    David Booth, Vanc. Canuck player, legally hunted bear with bow and arrow in the summer. Pages of outrage and abuse.

    Yup, we live in “enlightened” times.
    yeesh!

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  18. Quinn
    May 18, 2012

    I live in Alberta but was born and raised in BC. I bow hunt bears here over bait and one of the major benifits is having the Bears come in to the bait and be able observe the bear making sure it is an old mature Boar not a sow with cubs. The last thing any hunter would want to happen is stock in and shoot a bear and then find a couple cubs pop up out of the under brush. the Bait situation gives the hunter time to asses the bear on size, using the 55gal drum as a refrence. This also gives the hunter the time and angle to make an ethical shot. By the way BIG Boars are incredibale smart and dont just bumble into the bait site. They are as quite as a mouse and circle the bait for sometimes hours often not showing them selves at all. POint is hunting big bears in this way is very difficult. People hear “baiting” and assume the worst.

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  19. Douglas Neasloss
    May 21, 2012

    Bait a bear and shoot it from a tree, what a man! Cmon booth, i think you can do better than that. You can still enjoy the thrills of wildlife by viewing bears, shooting em with a camera.

    Its time, the trophy be stopped and we focus on tourism. A bear is worth more alive than it is dead to our province and our country.

    STOP THE HUNT!

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