According to reports, Roberto Luongo requested a trade; why did we hear about it?

Earlier this week, I argued that Roberto Luongo’s professed willingness to waive his no-trade clause if asked didn’t mean what we thought it meant. No, it wasn’t Luongo requesting a trade. It was simply Luongo admitting that he wouldn’t stand in the way if GM Mike Gillis purposed to move him. The decision remained in Gillis’s hands.

That take reached obsolescence in less than 48 hours. According to reports, Luongo has requested a trade after all.

 

According to further reports, Luongo has also provided Mike Gillis a list of teams he’s willing to go to, a list that’s being revealed to the public one by one, like the Cylons aboard Battlestar Galactica. (One imagines by late summer we’ll learn the final four all at once when they meet in a room, realize their true selves, and say, “We’re frakkin’ Luongo trade destinations.”)

Frankly, this doesn’t come as a huge surprise, especially after Luongo meta-tweeted from the Strombone1 account, once again, and effectively assured himself that everything was going to be all right:

 

Stay strong, me. We’ll get through this major life change together.

And thus one of the major questions heading into the summer — Luongo or Schneider — is answered before we even begin. Barring a twist of Hitchcock-ian proportions, Schneider will be the Canucks’ number one next year.

But this leads me to another major question: how the heck did this get out?

As several, including myself, have pointed out, the return for Luongo was never going to be as significant as the return for Schneider. While the skillsets of the two goaltenders are similar, Schneider’s contract is extremely flexible (he doesn’t really have one) and he’s just 26 (and as a fellow 26-year-old, I can attest to this being a very sexy age). Luongo, on the other hand, is bogged down in years – the duration of his contract, how long he’s been alive – that are going to give teams pause and diminish his return.

But do you know what else diminishes trade return? Dealing from a position of non-power. When Luongo said he’d waive his no-trade clause if asked, he left all the power in Mike Gillis’s hands. The moment he asked first, however, Gillis lost negotiating strength.

Now the Canucks’ GM is shopping an item that everyone knows he has to sell.

That’s very un-Gillis, if you ask me. Either the report is false (as Gillis only sort of indicated this morning on the radio), someone screwed up majorly here (a reason Gillis might feel the need to go out and quash the report), or Canucks management feels there’s some benefit to Luongo’s trade request going public that offsets the weaker negotiating position. On that third point, here are a couple guesses as to what that benefit might be:

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1) It focuses the trade talks.

If Gillis gets on the phone with the GMs looking for goalies and he’s effectively got both goalies on the market, how many people are going to look at Luongo? If General Managers are caught up in the shiny newness of Cory Schneider and would much rather haggle over him, Gillis will have to waste time and energy constantly redirecting the buyer. But, if Gillis is only shopping one piece, he can focus on getting the best return for it instead.

2) It allows Gillis to keep his word.

The moment Luongo said he would waive his no-trade clause if asked, I flashed back to something Gillis has said time and time again: he will never ask a player to waive his no-trade clause. Never ever.

That in mind, when Luongo said he’d waive it if asked, I wondered how, exactly, Gillis was going to navigate going back on his word. But now he doesn’t have to, because the decision was the player’s. And thus, Gillis’s reputation among potential free agent signees — and his ego — was spared.

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In closing, it is my hope that Luongo ends up in Toronto. Why? Because the Leafs are in the Winter Classic this year, which means they’re also on HBO 24/7. The world needs Roberto Luongo on HBO.

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102 comments

  1. obituary mambo
    April 26, 2012

    This is shocking, which makes the Battlestar Galactica reference beyond perfect. I’m not quite sure what to think beyond that. Definitely need time to process.

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    • Mark in Steveston
      April 26, 2012

      I still like the old Battlestar Galactica. How can you beat Lorne Green as Adama? Although the episode where the Galactica was on fire, and they used a risky and elaborate foam-spraying tactic to extinguish it still floors me — I kept yelling at the screen: “Just vent the burning areas to space — the lack of oxygen will immediately put the fire out!!”

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      • obituary mambo
        April 26, 2012

        I have to admit, apart from a small clip, I haven’t seen the original BSG. And that one small clip looked exceptionally cheesy, but sometimes that can be a ton of fun. The one thing I do know is that the original Apollo seemed quite hacky in his recurring role on the revamped version. Did the original have any characters as awesome Chip Six? She ruled beyond the frakkin’ telling of it.

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        • Kenji
          April 27, 2012

          I was strangely attracted to the coltish flight control operator who would do the pre-launch Viper count-downs. She had a distinctively patient voice.

          That said, I mostly remember that the original BSG had a robot dog-thing.

          Oh and Patrick Macnee and John Colicos doing competitive Evil Offs to see who could get farther over the top. I give it to Macnee.

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  2. yobbei
    April 26, 2012

    well I hope MG would figure what to do because I certainly couldn’t.

    I do think that keeping schneider is the way to go but I am not so sure the return that Lu and bring back… we just cannot give up on schneider tho’

    It is similar to Turco and Mike Smith in Dallas a few years ago and you tell me who you rather have.

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    • peanutflower
      April 26, 2012

      Well, for entertainment value Turco :)

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    • paul
      April 26, 2012

      I think Schneider is the way to go, but what if he decides he only wants a short term contract and then bolts for big money as a UFA? And what leverage do the Canucks really have?

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  3. north
    April 26, 2012

    It was a given that one of our two goalies would be traded this summer. Before the playoff, most people said it would be Schneider due to his higher return, flexible contract and youth (as you’ve mentioned several times already). Also because Luongo’s big contract and NTC made him rather an immovable piece.

    If that situation continued as it was, wouldn’t it be harder to negotiate with other GMs when trading Schneider? Since they know Van probably don’t have enough cap space to sign him, and has to trade him before losing him for nothing.

    So now, with all these rumors and whatnot, doesn’t it make easier to get a nice return for Schneider? “Look, that immovable piece is now movable! We don’t HAVE to trade Schneider anymore unless you give me something really goooood.”

    Just trying to see thing from a different side.
    What does everyone think? Does it make any sense?

    First time writing here, and always been a big fan of you guys! Keep up the excellent work!!!!

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    • rvtBC
      April 26, 2012

      Or – to go somewhat crazy and out there down a quasi-conspiracy-like path – yes, a multi-team trade. And the assumed Luongo tweet, “French Italian” switched on the looney light.

      Canucks trade Luongo and Schneider. And toss AV out.

      AV promptly signs in Montreal. Luongo goes home to Montreal, the Canadiens send us back Price (a home oming of sorts for Carey). AV whispers in the right ears and tries to entice further of his favourites to come join him in Montreal. Burrows (last year on his hometown discount contract), Rome (RFA), Lapierre (one year left and an AV favourite). And the rebuild of Montreal and retooling of Vancouver are well under way! All we’d need is for Chicago to jettison Quenville and we’d be talking….

      Canucks continue to shop and get some great assets back for Schneider. Perhaps a top winger to play with the Twins to take over from Burr (I’d be sad to see him go but this time around it’s going to cost the Nucks a whack of cash to keep him). Maybe a pick or two and/or maybe a defence man.

      Then there’d also be some room for the baby Canucks (Wolves) to actually have a legit shot at making the big club too.

      No, not smoking anything. Just on a lunch break at work. ;-)

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      • Frank
        April 27, 2012

        Hmmm… I might like some of these suggestions here. I guess it depends on how ready Lack is and how management would think Price could perform. As long as we get Pacioretty (2nd line) and Subban (right D with Edler!) as part of the return!! Then we can also ship Booth out as he is under performing and most of all, totally overpriced. I really liked how Gillis got players to sign for a “Canucks-town discount”. But with the trade for Booth he undermined his own philosophy, because now, how can you get Burrows and Schneider to sign for less than they could get on an open market?

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  4. ktownfan
    April 26, 2012

    Here’s my take. This whole “leaked” short list that doesn’t supposedly exist was a Gillis ploy from the get go, especially seeing as TO is supposedly on it. It was a pre-emptive rosterbation strike againt Brian Burke. This is ALL over the TO media and fan blogs this morning. After the dismal fall off of the leafs, the full page apology, Burke’s even more testy than usual post season “pittsrbug my ass” presser.

    The Leafs and Burke are going to have to do something this off season to placate the fan base. The fan base there is now clamouring for Lou. If Burke doesn’t deliver and the Leafs start off slow again with sub par goaltending, well the Fire Burke chants will start in Oct.

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    • Cody
      April 26, 2012

      In a strange way this makes sense, but I also agree with Nick. What assets could he possibly give up and who would take them? Multi-team trade?

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      • akidd
        April 26, 2012

        the 5th overall pick and gardiner. lou is a pretty dam good goalie and would almost singlehandedly take the leafs to the playoffs. its hilarious chatting with leaf fans who have led the charge slagging lou for about two years now but now are drooling over the prospect of having legit number one.

        and if lou wants to redeem himself on the grand stage there is none bigger.

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    • J21 (@Jyrki21)
      April 26, 2012

      Kind of how I see it, but not exclusive to Toronto — by putting his asset out there, I think he’s trying to start a bidding war. The position of each individual GM will be “You’re trying to dump this asset, so, no, we wouldn’t give you much to do you a favor.” But if there is reason to believe another GM is interested, this qill pique your interest more than being cold-called by Gillis. There is totally peer pressure in the NHL, which is why guys like Anze Kopitar fall in the draft just for being Slovenian. (“Wait, NYR wouldn’t take him? Hm, maybe it’s best we stay out of this, just in case.”)

      So if another GM is known to have been approached, or to have commented, or (best yet) actually be interested, suddenly a different GM will say “Hm, if [so-and-so] is looking into this, maybe it’s not all bunk.” There is of course both a grass-is-greener effect, plus a zero-sum effect (“must acquire this guy to keep [so-and-so] from getting better goaltending!”)

      Either that, or the reports are just blatantly false.

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      • John in Marpole
        April 26, 2012

        Yeah, I’m liking this as a possible strategy on Gillis’ part.

        That said, why couldn’t the leak have come from Luongo’s agent? This guarantees that the Canucks have to move him. The Canucks can’t quietly check the market, find it wanting, and then tell Luongo he has to stay here and not have the fanbase know that he is here against his will, so to speak.

        This way everyone knows that he wants out, and what team would choose to keep a player who doesn’t want to be on their roster?

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    • piker
      April 26, 2012

      “Rosterbation” + Brian Burke + the Maple Laffs = awesome! (Just to don’t put that image in your head!)

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  5. Nick
    April 26, 2012

    Of all the teams, Toronto is maybe the one that has the least attractive assets to offer in return.

    Unless he hasn’t learned anything from the Kessel trade, Burke will not give up a #1 or Gardiner.

    After that, who do the Leafs have that Vancouver could get excited about?

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    • Jen
      April 26, 2012

      After that, who do the Leafs have that Vancouver could get excited about?
      Luke Schenn? Especially if Salo isn’t coming back, we could use another stay-at-home defenseman. On the forward front, Joffrey Lupul. I doubt the Leafs want to break up the Lupul/Kessel duo that was working so well, but who knows how deep the rift between Lupul and Carlyle still is? If the two of them can’t work together, who knows.

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      • Andre
        April 26, 2012

        Indeed: who’s within that club that we might consider trading for and get a fair return for Loo???

        On a positive note, CBC will remove the censorship that prevents them from saying:”GREAT SAVE LUUUONGO!”

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    • Ghostrider1174
      April 28, 2012

      #1 your not going to get the 5th pick or jake.
      #2 saying what do they have nothing is wrong too- they have young propects Colbourne, Ashton, Kadri, Diamgo, Blacker, Percy, Frattin, List goes on not to mention picks
      #3 they have also roster players that could help your team \
      Question for you – Do you think Burke, Stevie Y or other Gms our going to give you guys the moon for a guy that has a hefty contract, wants out, and cody still to sign? NOT Gillis has no leaverge on this on. Its the organizations handling of this that has made a mess.

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  6. Brent
    April 26, 2012

    I still think Tampa is the most likely destination. Lou would want his wife to be happy and she will be closer to family. I think Lou has significant value, but Gillis may have to eat some of the salary in any deal he makes. Lets see what we can get for him.

    So what are the chances for a Lou appreciation day sometime before he goes?

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    • Nick
      April 26, 2012

      I prefer Tampa because there’s a chance for a better return. Maybe the Province editorial board will have been prescient after all. I’d rather have LeCavalier and his Lu-like contract than pretty much any of the stiffs from the Leafs.

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  7. Nick
    April 26, 2012

    Having spent all those years as an agent, you have to believe Gillis is one shrewd guy.

    And cagey enough to be in on strategic leaking of information.

    Now if only he could draft.

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  8. SteveB
    April 26, 2012

    Though I am sad to hear that Roberto Luongo will probably leave the Canucks, I can’t say that I’d enjoy a job where sirens go off, lights flash, the PA pumps out some annoying song and a small town’s population jumps up and screams every time I made a mistake.

    My best wishes go to @strombone1, except when he plays the Canucks. ;^)

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  9. bergberg
    April 26, 2012

    This hurts my heart. If Lou did ask for the trade, I really can’t blame him. I can’t imagine being slammed in the media day in and day out. Dudes a father, would you want your kids to see that? Maybe I am giving too much credit to the “power of the media”, but I can’t help feeling like they have forced the organizations hand here. Even if moving Lou ends up being the right decision for the club, the media shouldn’t have that kind of influence.

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    • Nick
      April 26, 2012

      Maybe I’m in the minority here, but I just don’t believe all these media stories about how the media forced Luongo out of town.

      Gallagher and McIntyre and Botchford might like to think they have this power; but if Luongo was clearly better than Schneider this year, then he’d be staying, no matter how popular this was with fans and reporters.

      My take is that whatever happen, it will be performance-based, will be almost entirely due to a feeling by the management and owners that the team has a better chance to win in the future with one goalie rather than the other, and that the media here are just elevating their sense of importance and perceived influence.

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      • bergberg
        April 26, 2012

        I saw Botchford being interviewed on this topic and almost threw up in my mouth over his supposed “knowledge” about this situation. Very disappointing considering his blog, along with this one, used to be my frequent favourites.

        I both agree and disagree with you Nick. Of course, if you look at *certain* performances, you can make a case for moving Loungo. Schnieder doesn’t have those same blemishes, but also doesn’t have the experience or the career record boasted by Loungo. It is by no means an easy decision.

        But my comment is more related to the idea that he asked for a trade. And if so, I couldn’t blame him for wanting to escape this hostile environment.

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    • peanutflower
      April 26, 2012

      Exactly. You have to wonder too what kind of a bubble the Sedin families live in to keep the nonsense away from their kids.

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      • Frank
        April 27, 2012

        That is why the Hodgson trade was a bad one. The way I see it, the Sedins will play the next two years, then their contracts are up, and they will set sail for Sweden. By that time we could use the services of a player like Hodgson…

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  10. Brent
    April 26, 2012

    “I wouldn’t blame Luongo if he wants out. He’s been the biggest escape goat of all time.”

    So this really can’t be a real tweet from Don Cherry can it? I mean a relatively clever play on words regarding a scape goat? Of has he just been hanging around Don McClean too long and picked up some of this stuff by osmosis?

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  11. sarah
    April 26, 2012

    Lu could be the second most popular guy on HBO after Alex Skarsgard.

    I’m still willing to wager on Lu being a Canuck next year though. Logically, dealing Cory/keeping Lu seems to make more sense than dealing Lu,/keeping Cory.

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    • Brent
      April 26, 2012

      I wouldn’t mind Lou staying but I think things have been set in motion and there is no going back now. There would be a hugh outcry now, after all this, if Lou stayed and Cory left.

      It could actually be that Lou was so hurt by not coming back in game 4 that he couldn’t play here any more. Guy has put it all out there for this team, and it must have been tough the last little while.

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      • VanFan85
        April 26, 2012

        Or maybe – like I said below – this is just all a ploy and Luongo is in on it. Vancouver started Schnieder in more than an a handlful of big games this season and 3 games in the playoffs to showcase him for potential buyers. Gilles openly admitted the Canucks did it to Hodgson, who’s to say they arent doing it again. Now if other teams think that Vancouver has to move Luongo and it appears that Schnieder is going to be the go to guy, they are going to have to throw their highest draft picks, best prospects, and even marquee players at Vancouver to try and pry him out of Vancouver’s hands. Gilles is now able to play hard ball and get exactly what he needs in return for Schnieder. Schnieders value was already high given the way he played during the playoffs, this little publicity stunt has just sent his trade value to the moon.

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      • Ghostrider1174
        April 28, 2012

        Cory staying. Lu doesnt want to play for this organization anymore. He cant come out and say it but hinted at it. Imagine keeping a goalie that doesnt want to play here anymore. Lu will be playing for another team next season.

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    • Ghostrider1174
      April 28, 2012

      I agree. But one problem. Lu doesnt want to play for this organization anymore. Having a goalie that wants out and unhappy is not the ideal situation.

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  12. RG
    April 26, 2012

    I agree – 26 is a very, very sexy age. I’m now haggard at 27 and it sucks a huge one.

    In other news, we get to see if The Stork is ready as #2.

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    • obituary mambo
      April 26, 2012

      :( The only person on the team older than I am is Sami Salo and he might not be coming back. Samme Pahlsson is awfully close, though. Anyway, don’t lose heart about being 27 whole years old– thirty-something is much better (and sexier) than twenty-something (at least that’s been my experience). Not that it has anything to do with our goaltending situation, in which case younger is probably better. GMMG might have telegraphed the fact that he agrees in the comments he made immediately after the season had ended (something along the lines of “younger, bigger, faster”). It bothers me a little that Schneider hasn’t been proven over the course of a full season, but everyone’s got to start somewhere and he has definitely proven that he’s capable of winning in intense situations. The first round exit certainly can’t be pinned on either goalie’s shoulders.

      Of course, as others have pointed out, this could all be an elaborate ruse. GMMG is a tough nut to crack.

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  13. peanutflower
    April 26, 2012

    I can’t believe that Gillis would let something leak out without some grand plan behind it. The team has always been locked down tight regarding any gossip, changes, injuries, whatever, and this potentially huge change in the organization just cannot be a simple leak. I really feel bad for Luongo. Who would want to stay here? As Brent said above now that the wheels have been set in motion it would be really hard to get the toothpaste back in the tube. How would all those fair weather bandwagon idiot fans react? Or does the Canucks management just not give a rats ass how they think and just consider what’s best for the team? I don’t know. I do know that to trust the prowess of two goalies, Schneider and Lack, who have a grand total of 68 NHL games between them to be the stars is a pretty sketchy role of the dice IMO.

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    • Amor de Cosmos
      April 26, 2012

      @peanutflower

      Yup, all that.

      One (of many) things I’m not clear on: Assuming Schneider is signed and Luo doesn’t get traded over the Summer, I believe I read that he could technically be sent down, which presumably would take him out of the cap equation, is that correct?

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      • John in Marpole
        April 26, 2012

        According to press reports seen elsewhere, Luongo’s contract does not have a ‘no-movement clause’, so yes, he could be re-assigned to the minors. However doing so would require him to clear waivers both on the way down & on the way up.

        As I understand it, if he was claimed going down the claiming team would be 100% responsible for his cap hit, but if claimed on the way back up the Canucks would be responsible for 1/2 of the cap hit.

        Factor in the no-trade clause he does have, and maybe that would negate the waiver thing… except that waivers aren’t technically a trade I wouldn’t think & if that was the case teams would give out NT clauses willy-nilly to play cap-games.

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  14. peanutflower
    April 26, 2012

    I wanted to see how many cliches I could fit in in my answer. A lot. I win the cliche battle hands down.

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    • tCL of OTP
      April 26, 2012

      @peanutflower, color us disappointed that you failed to work in an “it is what it is” reference. You need to win battles along the boards, and in the corners, and put in 110% every night. Stick to the pro-cess, keep your gaps small, and play the way you can play. Then be sure read this out loud while sucking on a lozenge.

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  15. Amor de Cosmos
    April 26, 2012

    I wonder who Luo’s other destination choices are besides TO? I’ve also wondered over the past couple of years how easy it was for him here without his family. I don’t know that many people would be able to deal with the type of stress/scrutiny Luongo’s been under by themselves. Yet, I guess it would be the same in Toronto. I know other top athletes do it, but living away from your family for eight months out of twelve, particularly when you don’t have to, seems unnecessarily masochistic.

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    • Brent
      April 26, 2012

      Actually, his family has moved here. Not sure when it happened, but according to his wikipedia page:

      “They subsequently moved into the Vancouver neighbourhood of Yaletown,[10] while spending Luongo’s off-seasons in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.[179] “

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      • Amor de Cosmos
        April 26, 2012

        Ah, right. Thanks. Must have been fairly recent then.

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        • peanutflower
          April 26, 2012

          More than a year. Way more. Two years. His family has been here for quite a while, since it became an issue. A publicized issue. Just another reason why he probably would prefer some other place.

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  16. VanFan85
    April 26, 2012

    How do we know this isnt just a ploy to direct attention away from the fact that the Canucks were secretly showcasing Schneider in an attept to raise his trade value? Gilles admitted they did it with Hodgson, and who knows maybe Hodgson was in on it too… maybe Luongo is in on this one. If teams THINK that Vancouver has to move Luongo and that Schnieder is going to be their go-to-guy, Schnieders value just increased exponentially again, because it will take only the best of the best draft picks, prospects, and top-notch players to pry him away from Vancouvers’ grasp. Gilles now has the power to play hard ball and get EXACTLY what he needs for Schnieder.

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    • Amor de Cosmos
      April 26, 2012

      We don’t know. But that scenario seems overly convoluted with too many possibilities of it coming apart, and rather a lot depending on everyone’s acting skills.

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      • VanFan85
        April 26, 2012

        Is it so convoluted? Luongo has stated that he would waive his no trade clause if the team asked him too – thats it. Everybody from the Sun to TSN to The Globe and Mail all took it and ran with it that it was basically Luongo waiving good bye. Luongo himself has said nothing of leaving. The rumours of a “list” were started by the media and Gilles himself came out today and said that there was never any list and completely denied it. Niether the Canucks nor Luongo have ever said anything about him actually leaving.

        All Canucks fans were in agreeance before the playoffs started that AV had to go with the hot hand in net. Luongo got the start, he lost 2 in a row and in came Schnieder, and Schnieder would have been pulled out just as quickly if it were he who lost 2 games in a row instead of Luongo. Going with Schnieder for 3 games had everyhting to do with riding the hot hand and nothing more, yet the media and fans all took it as a sign that this was now Schnieders team, when all that was really going on was AV doing what he said he would do and use Schnieder if he needed it. All of this speculation has been generated by the fans and the media – none of it has come from the Canucks or Luongo.

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        • Ghostrider1174
          April 28, 2012

          Wrong Lu wants out. Nuk fans be in denial. Nick talked with Lu and he doesnt want to be part of this organization anymore. Period. Lu cant say after season press conference but hinted at it. Hes a professional and cant say outright. Many other have reported not just toronto. Even espn . I dont blame Lu hes been treated like crap by the organization and fans. Hes had enough.

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    • John in Marpole
      April 26, 2012

      Si, in essence that means that GMMG is trolling the other 29 GMs? That’would cause a major impact crater on his cedibility for future dealings, would it not?

      I can’t see any up-side for MG/the Canucks trolling a players availability , and I’d think that would damage Vancouver as a destination location for a significant portion of the free agent work-force out in hockeyland.

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      • VanFan85
        April 26, 2012

        Gilles – through all of this – has never specifically stated that either goalie is available. All other 29 teams know the situation in Vancouver, if a team calls him with and offer for either goalie he doesnt have to say whether or not that player is available, he just has to listen to the offer and go on his way. All of this speculation about which goalie is available has been generated by the fans and the media, and thats all it is – speculation.

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        • Mo
          April 26, 2012

          I’d like to think this is Gillis’ strategy too…if everyone knows that either goalie can be traded, doesn’t that up the value of the one that eventually goes?

          And there’s nothing wrong with Lui producing a list – that’s a major advantage of his no trade clause, isn’t it? It would only mean these are teams he would consider, and not necessarily an actual request to be traded. Perhaps he is really putting the team first, and is willing to go or stay, whichever is mutually best? It could still be a coin toss as to who’s our starter as there are pros and cons to keeping either.

          If the Canucks had made it to the next round, I’m sure we’d have seen Lui back in net. It was unfortunate that the story didn’t play out the way we all wanted, and because Cory was the one “left standing” the media decided to run with the “Lui’s done” story line and it’s taken off.

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        • Ghostrider1174
          April 28, 2012

          Gillis of course cant say. It dimishes the return. Imagine other gms in NHL. Situation –
          Have a 33 year old goalie, hefty contract that has 10 years remaining, Wants out ( Not a rumour just nuk fans like to think so) and with Vancouver still having to sign Cory. who do you think has the advantage? Easy the other GMS. Period. Nick reported the facts. He doesnt report lie. Hes has talk with Lu. Others in the sports world have also confired Lu doesnt want to play for this organzation anymore like James duthie, espn etc Book it Lu’s gone I dont blame him. When he came to Nuks he took a team that was predicted not to make the playoffs make the playoffs. Hes been a huge part of Nuks being a force. Yet the organization and fans have treated him like dirt. The biggest turn around was when they took his C. Trust me LU GONE

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  17. Colby
    April 26, 2012

    Luongo: I`m just going to email a draft of my List to my cousin and trusted ally Nick Kopreos.. Oh god autocorrect CURSE YOU

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  18. Chris the Curmudgeon
    April 26, 2012

    Possibility #3: this is Toronto-based sports media throwing crap against the wall to see if it would stick, because it lowers Gillis’s bargaining power if trying to extract even value from, say, the Maple Leafs. Is it really a coincidence that Toronto is the name is shining lights that’s being flashed in front of everyone?

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    • John in Marpole
      April 26, 2012

      That’s a possibility except that bottomline this impacts the Laffs every bit as much as it does the Canucks:

      Laffs have had yet another epic failure. A significant portion of the reason for yet another non-playoff season is poor goaltending. These reports, putting TO #1 on the list, raise the expectations of a very disappointed fanbase that the goaltending issue will be address once & for all. So now the pressure is on Burke to make the deal, so if Gillis sets a high price, & Burke doesn’t want to be burned in effigy at Yonge & Bloor, he has to meet Gillis’ asked for price, because there is 5 other teams on Gillis’ shopping list.

      Burke needs Luongo more than just about any other GM out there. He has 1 year to make things better in TO. he ain’t gonna do that without a very good goaler.

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      • Ghostrider1174
        April 28, 2012

        Your delusional if you think Gillis has the upper hand. He has a 33 year old goalie, hefty contract, who wants out,and Cory whos yet to be signed. If you think that other Gms consider that a disadvantage your really out to lunch.

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    • VanFan85
      April 26, 2012

      The Toronto media knew the only way they could get their hands on a goaltender of Luongos calibre is by starting the rumour that Lu asked for a trade and has submitted a list with Toronto on it. If this were the case, Gilles hands would be tied, lowering his bargaining power and in turn, lowering Luongo’s trade value.

      The whole Toronto business was started for the sole prupose of lowering Luongo’s trade value to the point where Burke could get him for next to nothing.

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      • Amor de Cosmos
        April 26, 2012

        That Lou is likely to be leaving is more than press generated rumour:

        What we know: He has agreed to waive his no trade agreement. MG has not denied reports that Luongo has, or is about to submit a list of clubs which he’ll consider moving to.

        What we can reasonably surmise: Lu’s regular use of the past tense when talking about his time in Vancouver at his Tuesday press conference suggests that, one way or another he’s likely to be leaving.

        Everything else at this point is speculation.

        MG isn’t going to be saying much, because one of the few things that could prevent Luongo’s departure is his failure to strike a satisfactory deal with Schneider. Right now his agent holds a lot of cards. Theoretically he could hold out for free agency and see what kind of offers he gets. Gillis needs to hold the possibility of Luongo staying, however unlikely, in reserve just in case. Or at least, if you blow the smoke away, that’s the way it looks right now.

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        • VanFan85
          April 26, 2012

          Good point about Schnieder testing the waters. Although I dont know what he is thinking, if I were in his shoes there is a very small chance that I would take a hometown discount. He has put in his time and played the good soldier in Vancouver, he is going to be a #1 goalie, he is going to be a star, why not get paid like one. This is going to be his “show me the money” moment. If Vancouver truly wants to keep him they are going to have to put up or shut up. The longer he goes without getting re-signed by vancouver the higher the likely hood he is going to test the waters on July 1st, and you’re right Vancouver has to hold on to Luongo and see where the dust settles.

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          • Amor de Cosmos
            April 26, 2012

            True enough, he looks like a star. But it he’s shining a lot more brightly here than any other city at the moment. If he were to go elsewhere he’d financially better off most likely, but he’d be in a brand new organization where there are a lot of unknowns. In some ways it would be a risky move for him. It’s clear he’s comfortable here and, professionally, has never known anywhere else. I think MG will be angling for some type of hometown discount, not as much as Burrows, or even the Sedins, relatively speaking but a bit of a bargain.

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        • hockeyispretty
          April 27, 2012

          He hasn’t agreed to waive the NTC. He has said that he would waive it if asked, because he doesn’t want to be a selfish guy, team first, etc.

          Everything ELSE is speculation.

          So, like, everything is speculation.

          Was surprised that PITB believed the reports at this stage, as they’re totally unconfirmed reports by “sources”. Only reason to believe them really is that it would be a reasonable request for Lu to make, considering how he’s played vs how he’s been treated. (Strombone telling his metaself to cheer up doesn’t mean he’s asked for a trade, though it’s a cute tweet.)

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        • Ghostrider1174
          April 28, 2012

          Nick doesnt report lies. Lu is leaving. He cant say after the season ended im gone. But he hinted. He strying to be profesional about it even after the organzation treated him like crap just like the fans. its no Speculation He will be playing for another team next year. Period

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    • peanutflower
      April 26, 2012

      If people think that Vancouver is a “goalie graveyard” wait until Luongo gets there, if that happens. I’ll never forget Andrew Raycroft having endured taunts by the crowd when he played there, and stalking out of an interview by some sports chick. It was hilarious. ANd then he got his own back by shutting TO down after relieving Luongo, I believe it was. And making sure the whole TO crowd knew how happy he was to shut the Leafs down. hilarious. Anyway, the point is that TO is just as bad and possibly worse than the fans and media in Vancouver. Luongo had better make like a horse and stuff his ears with those little fluffy balls.

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      • Ghostrider1174
        April 28, 2012

        Wrong Raycroft was horrible in Toronto. Lu is a world class goalie which Raycroft aint. Wheres Raycroft now? Lu is still a world class goalie. Like i said Vancouver treats a world class goalie like crap while Toronto appreciates a world class goalie. Ask Curtis Joseph or Eddie the eagle Belfour haow they where treated. Their anwer would be loved and like a King.

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    • Chris the Curmudgeon
      April 26, 2012

      Schneider holds some cards, but most certainly not all of them. The Canucks still do own his rights, and there aren’t that many teams who’d have the necessary draft picks to be able to present him an offer sheet where he’s sufficiently overpaid to force Vancouver to let him walk. He certainly won’t sign his qualifying offer, but he’s still negotiating from a position of relative weakness, and neither side would want to go to arbitration.

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  19. Ynohtna
    April 26, 2012

    Brilliant Battlestar Galactica reference, frakking hilarious. Keep up the good work. More and more journalists are being X’d off my list for good balanced reporting and resorting to drama reporting. You guy are proving good articles and analysis and pretty funny too.

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  20. sarah
    April 26, 2012

    Luongo is officially winning the internet today with “his” tweets

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  21. Mike Hawk
    April 26, 2012

    Luongo has become the Steve Penney of Vancouver.

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  22. akidd
    April 26, 2012

    some may choose to believe that there was still a decision to be made between lou and schneider but i think that is just the denial stage of the grieving process for serious lou fans. when schneider started game 4 the ‘decision’ was done like dinner.

    and lou wanted no part of the backup role(and it would have been an unhealthy situation for all involved) so the ‘keep both’ crowd was also dreaming.

    just like in life if someone wants the other guy more than you there’s nothing you can do about it. you just move on as quickly as possible. and you get proactive. you pack your bags and you move out.

    as to why this was leaked, it could be lou’s camp saving face. it could be gillis saving ‘never, never’ face. it’s probably both. ultimately it doesn’t matter and i don’t think it affect lou’s value.

    in some ways lou’s value could be higher than schneider’s for certain teams looking for a specific need. lou is a proven guy. a workhorse. schnieder, as amazing as he looks, hasn’t played more than 30 nhl games in a season. there are lots of cases of amazing young goalies losing it and fizzling out of the league or into some obscure backup role.

    you know what you’ll get with lou. schneider has all the potential but he’s yet to prove himself as a number one through the regular season and into the playoffs.

    so i don’t think the leak will diminish gillis’ bargaining position. there should be a nice little bidding war for lou. and lou gets to leave on his own terms…kinda.

    burke and lou, sitting in a tree….

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    • Harrison Mooney
      April 26, 2012

      “in some ways lou’s value could be higher than schneider’s for certain teams looking for a specific need. lou is a proven guy. a workhorse. schnieder, as amazing as he looks, hasn’t played more than 30 nhl games in a season. there are lots of cases of amazing young goalies losing it and fizzling out of the league or into some obscure backup role.

      you know what you’ll get with lou. schneider has all the potential but he’s yet to prove himself as a number one through the regular season and into the playoffs.”

      Who are you and what have you done with akidd?

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      • akidd
        April 26, 2012

        shhhh. i’m just doing my part to pump up lou’s trading value:)

        (whispering) imo schneider is still the absolute right choice for the canucks. but a bubble team might prefer a ‘surer thing’.

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      • Brent
        April 26, 2012

        too funny!

        It is true you just never know with Schneider. May get comfortable with the big contract he is going to get. Plus, he has only won one playoff game!

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    • VanFan85
      April 26, 2012

      Here’s what I’m having trouble understanding though. Vancouver, if they decide to go with Schnieder, are going to want to sign him for a reasonable price right? If Schnieder knew without a doubt that Luongo was going to leave, that would place all of the bargaining power in his hands and it would mean that he could basically get anything he wanted out of the Canucks. That being said, it is in the Canucks best interest to keep any talk of moving Luongo out of the media and squash any rumour that pops up to maintain control over the situation to get the best value out of Schnieder. With so much at stake why would somebody inside the Canucks organization leak the idea that Luongo may or may not have asked for a trade and that there may or may not be a list of teams he is willing to go to.

      The Canucks have to tread lightly here. They cannot ruin the realtionship with Luongo just incase the cant re-sign or match a large offer sheet for Schnieder, but they cant make it known that they intend to move Luongo becasue they will place all of their bargaining power into Schnieders hands.

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      • Ghostrider1174
        April 28, 2012

        Excactly Gillis is lying. He has asked for a trade out. Nick doesnt report lies. Others in the sports world have also confired that Lu wants out. He doesnt want to play for this organization anymore after the way they have treated him. The taking of the C was the turning point. The constant bashing of him by fans added more fuel to the fire. Gillis doesnt want this out cause it would dimish the trade value. Imagine Lu’s hefty contract and the fact that he wants out plus other NHL teams knowing Cory has to be signed that takes the levergae Gillis has and throws it out the window. FACT

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  23. Donny
    April 26, 2012

    With the twins getting older, the Canucks need to win next year or two. Why not keep lou and get some really good scorers or defencement for Cory?

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  24. JRC
    April 26, 2012

    Lu didn’t ask for a trade. It was Bieksa impersonating him.

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  25. don't toews me bro
    April 26, 2012

    reason #1 should be changed to focuses on trade talks – vancouver media needs something to talk about other than the collapse of the canucks – i think it’s crap and made up by the media so they’d have something to talk about

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  26. Micheal
    April 26, 2012

    What worries me is if there might be some bad karma in moving Luongo and keeping Schneider. The Canucks don’t need any more, that’s for sure.

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  27. Lucky
    April 26, 2012

    Luuuuuuuuuu :(

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  28. Tamara B
    April 26, 2012

    Don’t laugh, I literally burst into tears when I read that Luo requested the trade on Yahoo. It feels like my family is being torn apart and Luo’s the kid that keeps proving himself but it’s never bloody well good enough.

    I want Luo to stay with the Canucks. I’m just so sad that he might not be there next season.

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    • Harrison Mooney
      April 26, 2012

      I laughed a little. That’s cute.

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      • immie_8
        April 26, 2012

        But you’re crying on the inside, right Harrison? ;)

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        • Harrison Mooney
          April 26, 2012

          Of course.

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  29. Bruce
    April 26, 2012

    When your paid enough to buy your own space travel, but what planetary system can afford him or take the risk on great one night stink the next at all those millions?

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  30. Micheal
    April 26, 2012

    I’m just gonna say it… it’s a mistake if we give up on Luongo.

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  31. Eric Blacha
    April 26, 2012

    Luongo better not leave. I hate that he basically has too if he wants respect, but still/

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    • Ghostrider1174
      April 28, 2012

      Lu doesnt want to play for this organization anymore FACT. Whats horrible about this is the fans treat a great goalie who made them into a force to be reckon with year in and out like garbage. This is not a rumour. It a fact. Nick Kypreos doesnt report lies. He has talked to Lu. Also hes not the only one that stated Lu wants out. Nick was first but others too have confired this. Toronto, Tampa, Chicago, Florida are on his list. Thats what he told Nick. As for if he goes to Toronto he will be fryed. NOT Toronto has no great #1 goalie and have been mad about that. Ask Curtis Joseph or Eddie Belfour how the fans treated them. Answer like Kings. If Lu came to Toronto he would be loved. Difference is Vancouver treats great goalies like crap while Toronto appreciates great goalies. If he goes to any other team he will flourish just not with Vancouver.

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  32. Micheal
    April 26, 2012

    This is exactly what the MSM outside of BC wants. We’re the bad guys… the bad guys would trade up Luongo for the younger sexier Schneider, just like a middle aged man who would divorce his loving wife for the 20 something blond bombshell. We’re spoiled. We’re entitled… Luongo isn’t good enough for us…. This is how they see us.

    If we trade Luongo we are playing right into their stereotype… right into their presumptions. And you know what… this time they might be right.

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    • peanutflower
      April 26, 2012

      Personally I don’t find Schneider “sexier” than Luongo. just a personal observation.

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      • Micheal
        April 28, 2012

        What about Schneider doing an impression of Luongo? Closing in?

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    • Nick
      April 26, 2012

      So you’re saying the Canucks should be concerned about what the media might say when making their decision?

      I don’t give a hoot what other team’s fans and other cities’ media about the Canucks.

      In most cases, I don’t like their teams either.

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      • Micheal
        April 26, 2012

        I’m saying it wouldn’t be very nice of us to ship Luongo out in favour of Schneider. Luongo has done so much to this organization and community.

        I honestly don’t think he wants to leave… I believe in perfect world he would choose to stay here and to win here. Maybe not for those few fans who would boo as opposed to Loo, but I’m hopeful Luongo knows there are many Vancouver fans who would have his back.

        I mean lets not forget we have a few pretty good goaltenders coming right up behind Schneider as well. We might be in this situation yet again within a few years either way…. So let’s maximize our value right now, and right now Schneider is more valuable and would net us the better assets.

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        • Micheal
          April 28, 2012

          Why was this rated down?… this is perfectly logical.

          Hey… if you guys want another “Linden handing the C to Messier” type of negative juju hanging over this organization then ok… just don’t expect a Stanley cup for at least another 10 years. It takes roughly that long for bad juju lie that to wear off.

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  33. Tamara B
    April 26, 2012

    Alright, Harrison, but only if it was a little! :)

    I just feel bad that Luo asked for the trade (if that’s true), he plays with his heart on his sleeve and he probably lives that way too. You just have to watch him at the hospital with the sick kids and you know he’s human and he cares.

    I don’t care how well paid he is, he deserves better than he got, much better.

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  34. MulderFoxy
    April 27, 2012

    Ummm no offense, but this whole “according to reports” sounds strange, like where’s a TV recording of Luo actually saying he’s already made a list? I just think that people should sit back and wait, and not believe any of this speculation and drama until it is officially a fact and true from Canuck management, and it coming straight out of Gillis’ mouth. Until then, I’m just going to assume that these “reports” (whatever or wherever they are) are false. If this Nick dude just thought that speculation was fact, and posted it up on Sportsnet prematurely before being 100% sure it’s true, then that’s just shoddy journalism. Cuz I can’t find anywhere else these so called “facts” besides Nick’s tweet.

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  35. Adrian
    April 27, 2012

    I think it is a bait and switch. They have done for Schneider essentially what they did with Hodgson. Put him in a position to shine/inflate his value so that they can get the most for him in a trade or offer sheet. The real bummer is that they did not make it through the first round. Perchance Luongo started the second round…just saying. This really cries of hubris which is likely to come back and bite the ‘nucks in the butt.

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  36. Ghostrider1174
    April 28, 2012

    This is not hearsay. Nick from Sportsnet talked to Lu and his agent confirming he wants out. Nick doesnt report lies. Can you blame Lu. I cant. The Vancouver organization and fans have treated him like dirt. When he came to Vancouver the nuks where horrible and predicted they wouldnt even come close to playoffs yet they did cause of Lu. Hes done nothing but been a great teammate and turn this team into a force to be reckon with. Hes a main reason Nuks where so close last year and for being one of the best teams year in and out. If he does goes to Toronto he wont be disrespected. Why? Cause Toronto has no #1 great goalie and have been mad becuase of that. The fans there would cheer him and love him just like they did with Curtis Joseph and Eddie the eagle Belfour. Difference is Vancouver has a great goalie and gets treated like crap while in Toronto when they have a great goalie his is treated like a King. Fact

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    • Dave
      April 29, 2012

      Kypreos doesn’t report lies, per se. But he has been plain wrong on several occasions.

      Moreover, it’s poor journalism to use one tweeted rumour as a source for anything. No problem with columnists (such as PITB) speculating on it (as they have), but reporting it as gospel without corroboration, as other outlets have, is just piss-poor diligence.

      Boy, do I miss the old days. When people checked facts and verified material before releasing it… Too bad we can’t go back.

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  37. duh
    April 29, 2012

    lol, in everyone of his posts ghostrider says “Nick from sportsnet doesnt report lies” …he didnt report anything as far as i can see, its a tweet.

    A tweet is not a report, even a tweet made by a man who is a reporter.

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