Roberto Luongo is willing to waive his no-trade clause; will Mike Gillis ask him to?

For what it’s worth, I’m not so sure that Roberto Luongo’s willingness to waive his no-trade clause if asked is all that big a deal. With a few exceptions (Down Goes Brown bitterly reminds me of former Canuck Mats Sundin), no-trade clauses aren’t an insurmountable obstacle.

The fact is that an NTC is simply there to prevent players from being blindsided. If you have one, you won’t ever have to worry about answering your phone, only to be told you’ve been moved. That’s a nightmare call for anyone, and you can’t begrudge players looking for a guarantee that they’ll never have to receive it, especially as they attempt to lay down roots.

But if someone told me they didn’t want me, I wouldn’t force them to have me. And that’s what it comes down to with Roberto Luongo. He may have veto power, but the moment he needs to exercise it, his relationship with the Canucks changes forever. In effect, the decision here belongs to Mike Gillis, despite Luongo’s contract stipulating that he be consulted on it.

That’s what Luongo said Tuesday. From the Vancouver Sun:

“Yeah, of course, if they ask me to,” Luongo replied when queried about his appetite to waive the no-trade clause. “I don’t want to be one of those guys who is going to stand in the way of anything. I always want to put the team ahead of me. I don’t want to be one of those selfish guys.

“Obviously they have a guy here who is going to be a superstar in this league for the next 10, 12, 15 years so I’m okay with it. It is a business and that’s the way it goes. I’ve loved being here the last six years. If I’m here in the future, then great. If I’m not, that’s good also.”

Some took Cory Schneider’s starts in Games 3, 4, and 5 versus Los Angeles to mean that Gillis and the rest of Canucks’ coaching and management had already made up their mind about next year. But I don’t think so.

No doubt the decision to let Schneider play out the string coupled with Luongo’s willingness to acquiesce to a move make it far more likely that he’ll be elsewhere next season. But it’s hardly a guarantee.

The team hasn’t lost faith Luongo, and even if the fanbase has, the Cody Hodgson trade is a pretty good indication that Mike Gillis doesn’t give a rip what local reaction to his roster moves will be. He’ll make the deal he thinks is best for the team, and that could still be a Cory Schneider trade.

Consider what Aaron Portzline of the Columbus dispatch had to say today:

 

These teams have been drooling over Schneider all year. And why not? He’s young, he’s immensely talented, he’s an excellent team guy, and best of all, he’s not locked into a big contract through the beginning of the next decade.

This summer, Mike Gillis will have to weigh Cory Schneider’s value to the Canucks against his value on the open market, and that’s where things get tricky. Both Schneider and Luongo are franchise goaltenders and both will give the Canucks a chance to win over the next few years. But in terms of what they would bring back via trade? It’s not even close.

Schneider is worth the moon. Luongo is worth, like, a moon. Maybe one of Jupiter’s.

Prior to the trade deadline, I argued that Schneider was available, and I remain convinced that, despite everything that’s gone on since, he still is. But he’s worth a fortune. If someone pays that exorbitant price, it won’t matter that Roberto Luongo is willing waive his no-trade clause, because he may not be asked to.

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89 comments

  1. Chicky
    April 24, 2012

    Um, can we please just keep both? I think I need another full season to make my mind up here. Just sayin’

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    • Immie_8
      April 24, 2012

      Just one season. I could use another two or three or ten. It’s possible, right? :P

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    • Phileo99
      April 25, 2012

      It would be nice to keep both of them. The Blues have Elliot/Halak tandem with both of them splitting the starting roles, and it’s worked out nicely for them. But even if Lu agreed to split the starting goalie duties with Schneids, I’m not sure if MGGM can afford this option. Schneids will be due for a big pay raise (Antti Niemi got 2.75M and he won the Cup), so I figure Schneids will get 3M, which means 8.33M in cap space blown away just to secure the goalie position. I think MGGM would rather spend some of that money trying to acquire a decent winger to play with Kesler, or finding a decent replacement for Pahlsson (as I don’t think he’ll be back).

      Since Lu came public with his comments, my interpretation is that he is saying he wants a trade in the most politically correct fashion. MGGM is a smart man, and he knows how to read between the lines of what Lu had to say publicly. Using the Hodgson trade as a template, I imagine MGGM will survey each team and determine if there are any pieces to the puzzle that he would like and then approach those teams discuss a potential trade.

      So carrying that thought one step further, what are the missing pieces to the puzzle? What players do the Canucks need to improve their chances of winning a cup?

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      • The Bookie
        April 26, 2012

        Wait, your line of logic is that Niemi got 2.75 after winning the Cup, so Schneider will get more for winning one first round game?

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  2. Warpstone
    April 24, 2012

    From a pure analytic point of view, you get more by keeping Luongo and dealing Schneider. It probably can’t happen this way due to politics and a need to please all kinds of pressures. But it would be the sort of move you make in a hockey sim. :D

    Worst part though is just how classy Roberto is about it. His worst crimes are accepting a massive contract and not out-playing Tim Thomas. Poor bastard.

    It’s a business and I can feel to sorry for a guy who will get paid either way. I’ve even seen the light that Schneider is the inevitable choice. But man, I embarrassed by the way some Canucks fans have tarred and feathered Luongo for simply not being perfect.

    The only bright side is that if anybody deserves a ticket out of such a gong-show, it’s probably Luongo. Maybe Schneider too if you consider that he now knows the pressure-cooker he’s about to jump into.

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    • tom selleck's moustache
      April 24, 2012

      Agreed. Luo’s treatment in Vancouver has been terrible and it’s pathetic how people can take such delight in tearing a person down. Despite that, he’s taken it on the chin and has carried himself in a very classy manner throughout, this willingness to waive his NTC being another example. If he does end up somewhere else, I wish him all the best.

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  3. Brent
    April 24, 2012

    Nice take, but you are totally wrong. Knowing Gillis, he already has somewhere lined up and Luongo knows where he will be going. My guess tampa.

    Have to be impressed with luongo. Was really tough on him not to play those last two games and now face lots of questions from the media today. Must have been hard, but he sucked it up. Not totally sure he means everything he says, but he was pretty impressive today.

    Thanks Lou, you were great and deserved better treatment.

    How long until Schneider isn’t flavour of the month? My guess…… mid-December.

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    • Frank
      April 24, 2012

      You know Gillis?

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      • peanutflower
        April 24, 2012

        Well, Gillis does have a record of keeping his cards pretty close to the vest. Mostly likely his decision is between what he can get for each one, not which one to trade. There’s nothing wrong with keeping either goalie. Or the heavens open up and stars and angels fall out, maybe he already has both of them signed up. Doubt it.

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      • Brent
        April 24, 2012

        OK maybe that came out a little wrong, but Gillis is a guy that thinks ahead. I am suspecting that he has a plan, and it will soon come to be. Like knowing for quite a while he was going to trade Cody, and then working on increasing his value before dealing him. Hhmm…maybe that is a poor choice, but you know what I mean.

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        • Frank
          April 24, 2012

          Sorry for being a bit cheeky earlier! This is a good blog where people are generally nice to each other. And I do know what you meant to say! ;-)

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        • Lenny
          April 24, 2012

          I agree Brent. Playing Schneider in the big games might well be his auditions. His value has shot through the sky by those 3 games against LA. I bet over the course of 82 games, the Canucks mgt and coaching staff still has more confidence in Luongo.

          Also, Schneider can and will demand a few dollars from Vancouver if we decide to trade Luongo. I’m guessing 3 to 4 M for 4 to 5 years. You are really looking at a 1.5 to 2.5 M of cap savings per season. Also, consider Luongo’s contract was designed to circumvent the salary cap, Lu will probably not play past say the 2018 to 2019 season. So really his contract is not as monstrous as one might look from the outside.

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          • jenny wren
            April 25, 2012

            Should Lui go that day I’ll rue
            For so much rhymes with Bobby Lu
            And if he leaves then woe betides
            For I’ll be calling Cory Schneids

            Jenny Wren

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  4. Trent
    April 24, 2012

    Luongo deserves to play somewhere else, period. He’s an extremely talented goaltender, but the fans boo him constantly, and rip into his every mistake. That’s not how he should be perceived. Trade him somewhere where he is appreciated for what he does and not criticized. Schneider proved in the playoffs that he can be the #1, and let him have his turn in the spotlight and let’s see if he can handle it. But Luongo deserves better than this. Let him walk, MG.

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    • Kitty
      April 24, 2012

      The perception that Vancouver is a markedly worse market for goaltenders to endure than others appears to me to be media driven. Look at Toronto, Montréal, Philadelphia, Long Island. All shitty places to tend goal. And I have it on good authority from a Kings fan friend that her fanbase turns on Jonathan Quick at the drop of a hat. Jonathan Quick! He of the 894225 shutouts! Apparently Bernier is the future. Imagine that.

      There are few places Luongo can go and not see pressure to perform. Even Sunrise is bound to turn up the heat on their goalies after getting a long-due taste of the playoffs.

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    • Chris the Curmudgeon
      April 24, 2012

      Was about to post exactly that “Kitty”. It’s a testament to the arrogance of some Canuck fans and most non-PITB media that we are somehow unique amongst NHL markets for goalie pressure. Hawk fans are ready to run Crawford out of town, Philly booed Bryzgalov within a few games of his starting, Kings fans have pushed Quick, Leaf fans are up in arms about their goaltending, Carey Price wore a huge target in Montreal and got booed regularly, Penguins fans have been critical of MAF, etc. Luongo is an emotional guy but he isn’t so fragile that he can only play in a market where the expectations on him are zero.

      Really, all told, Luongo has been a true gentleman about this whole situation (Schneider too). Frankly, I see Schneids more likely to be traded just because of what he could bring in return: Gillis could answer many of the organization’s problems in one fell swoop.

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    • John in Marpole
      April 24, 2012

      “but the fans boo him constantly…” Nope. Not true. Happened once.

      You’re mishearing the ‘Louuuu’ cheer that is heard almost every time the puck goes anywhere near Luongo.

      Your statement is not correct.

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      • Snepsts
        April 24, 2012

        Yeah, but only in Vancouver (among those listed above as tough markets) is there a one-team market (I don’t count the Lions or Caps). That makes a big difference in the volume of media coverage, even what page of the sports section it appears on; also public expectations, public recognition, public outcry. In general, hate. This is a spiteful city when it comes to its single sports team, which despite the failure to win the cup has been doing pretty well the last few years, with a solid goalie, respected coach and a very scientific and statistically oriented management team. This year had some amazing games. But has any other city in hockey history had a major newspaper publish an editorial requesting a trade for its #1 goalie? It’s ludicrous that that happened, but a good indication that things here are actually tougher for those top guys on the team.

        And it doesn’t stop there. Our top forward pairing has a misogynistic nickname perpetuated by their own “fans.” Their usual winger (Burrows) is just as vilified and despised league wide, despite not being at all a dirty hitter – the hallmark of almost every pest in the league. Etc. This team is viewed spitefully by almost every Vancouverite I know, and I believe it’s primarily due to that highly intense media microscope. That’s why, when I watch Sportsnet and listen to Valk and Garrett, I don’t mind if they’re homers sometimes.

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  5. akidd
    April 24, 2012

    lou is one classy guy. i wish him the best of luck wherever he goes.

    you don’t have press conferences like that if you’re going to keep a guy around. lou’s out and the team he goes to will get a good guy and a top goalie.

    i know it’s hard for fans who grew very attached to lou. it’s a jungle out there.

    gillis talked about showcasing coho this year. he was also showcasing lou imo, showing the hockey world that lou hadn’t completely lost it after the bruin series. i believe that the decision to move lou was 90% made after last year’s finals. and even that gillis had written this past season because of scf hangover and surgeries. hence the showcasing and bringing in kassian, a player who didn’t help this year’s cause. he was planning for next year all along.

    if the players can sustain their enthusiasm i’m already like next year’s chances better what with shea on the blueline among other things:)

    btw, half the comments disappeared from the last iwtg.

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    • akidd
      April 24, 2012

      argh. written- -written off. i’m already like–i’m already liking. sorry.

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      • obituary mambo
        April 25, 2012

        I hate McDonalds. Granted, their contribution to the destruction of the English language isn’t as egregious as some of their other atrocities, but it certainly bugs.

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    • Frank
      April 24, 2012

      One could also argue the other way, and in accordance with what Gilllis said, regarding giving Schneider the start in big games in order to test him out and see where he is at. Thus at the same time showcasing him to other teams.
      I do agree with you that Gillis et al. probably have a mid to long term plan regarding personnel but it undergoes change constantly in light of performances, expectations and the trade market place for players.

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      • akidd
        April 24, 2012

        thanks for the reply, frank. if mg were showcasing schneider he would have plyed more games. corey was so hot this year and had to be dragged from the net to maintain the aura that lou was still number one thus increasing lou’s trade value this summer. when the chips were down we saw who the real number one was. .960 and 1.35.

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        • hockeyispretty
          April 25, 2012

          If you asked a goalie if you could tell who was the real number one when the chips were down by comparing their save percentages/GAA for 2 or 3 playoff games each, they would laugh so hard you’d be knocked over by the wind of it.

          And Luongo has given press conferences like that his whole career here.

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    • Chris the Curmudgeon
      April 24, 2012

      “you don’t have press conferences like that if you’re going to keep a guy around.”

      Uh, it was the year end presser and included player availability, not a press conference called specifically to discuss the goaltending future. A reporter asked certain questions and the guys answered as honestly as they could. It means nothing.

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      • akidd
        April 24, 2012

        hey chris, i understand that it was an end-of-the-year presser. in this fishbowl players, managers and coaches are very careful about each word they say because they know it will be read into. lou saying he would waive his no-trade clause means something. last year gillis said he was %100 committed to helping lou improve. this year he said he didn’t know who his goalie next year would be. it’s code. lou’s gone.

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      • Chris the Curmudgeon
        April 24, 2012

        Disagree. The decision of which goaltender to keep will hinge in large part on what could be had in return from other teams. Schneider is going to be worth more in trade, and if Gillis gets blown away by an offer, will ship him out rather than Lu. Gillis is not going to trade Luongo just to get rid of him, being that he’s still an excellent goaltender with a lot of good years left. So we really still know nothing, as I see it.

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        • akidd
          April 24, 2012

          betcha a dollar? :)

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          • Amor de Cosmos
            April 24, 2012

            I agree. If there wasn’t already a deal in the works questions about the possibility of a trade, and especially something as specific as his no-trade clause would have been deflected.

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      • Chris the Curmudgeon
        April 25, 2012

        A reporter asked Luongo a question and he answered honestly. He almost always does, even if it sometimes gets him in trouble (see tires, pumping). There really is no news here. Before the playoffs, we knew that either Gillis was going to ask Lu to waive his NTC or he was going to see what kind of haul he could get for Schneids. Now we know that Gillis might ask him to waive or he might try and move Schneider. Anything else is just scuttlebutt and hearsay, period. Maybe Lu will get traded, yes. But that’s no more or less certain than it was before, and repeating it ad nauseum doesn’t make it so.

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      • Chris the Curmudgeon
        April 25, 2012

        A reporter asked Luongo a question and he answered honestly. He almost always does, even if it sometimes gets him in trouble (see tires, pumping). There really is no news here. Before the playoffs, we knew that either Gillis was going to ask Lu to waive his NTC or he was going to see what kind of haul he could get for Schneids. Now we know that Gillis might ask him to waive or he might try and move Schneider. Anything else is just scuttlebutt and hearsay, period. Maybe Lu will get traded, yes. But that’s no more or less certain than it was before, and repeating it ad nauseum doesn’t make it so.

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    • Harrison Mooney
      April 24, 2012

      yeah, we’re undergoing a server change (it’s a bit slow here, you may have noticed) and a lot of stuff is disappearing. Bear with us.

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  6. sarah
    April 24, 2012

    My gut says that Lu will be wearing the Blue and Green next year simply because (Lu + Package for Cory) > (Cory + Package for Lu). Still really interested to see what happens.

    Would love to hear your guys’ incite on some other possible storylines over the off-season. Especially curious about what’s going to happen with resigning Burr and Eddy. Not to mention Mace and Salo. Would be nice to hear speculation from those more knowledgeable than I.

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    • Nick
      April 24, 2012

      I thought Edler was up this year too … but he’s signed for one more.

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      • sarah
        April 24, 2012

        Nice…the Province today made me think his contract was up this year.

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        • Nick
          April 24, 2012

          I’m going by this:
          http://www.thehockeygm.com/van.html

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          • Frank
            April 24, 2012

            You’re better off looking at capgeek.com. for all information regarding contracts of players (well against the cap that is) and term.

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    • Nick
      April 24, 2012

      My take is that Sami will be asked back. He plans to play another year and liked it here enough to sign for a discount last season. So maybe it comes down to whether both sides are OK with him playing even fewer minutes with the 3rd pairing, and nights off when there are back to backs.

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      • Harrison Mooney
        April 24, 2012

        I was in the room when Salo was asked about coming back this year. He hung his head and got really noncommittal. My guess is he’s not back.

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        • Abby
          April 24, 2012

          Sad. Hope you’re wrong, I’ll miss the Finn.

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          • Brent
            April 24, 2012

            Agree but he is becoming more of a liability with his speed. He really does deserve a stanley cup though. He has given “a lot” for this team. he sounded more hopeful after game 5. Guess we have to go with the opinion of mr fancy pants with the press pass.

            So how many posting do we have to make before we get a press pass?

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        • sarah
          April 24, 2012

          Dislike. Salo is my pal-o

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          • Zach Morris
            April 24, 2012

            Finnish MacInnis! :(

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        • Chris the Curmudgeon
          April 25, 2012

          Speaking of which, where in the hell is my freaking Salo is your Pal-O shirt? I want it right now Harrison.

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    • Nick
      April 24, 2012

      Gillis seemed positive about MayRay today, said that he still hasn’t recovered physically AND mentally, and implied that they expect him to be an improved player next year.

      My take is that he’ll be back because the price will be right.

      But, as always, he’s an obvious choice to be thrown into a package when the off-season dealing starts.

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    • Nick
      April 24, 2012

      Burrows is still signed for one more.

      I have a feeling that the twins are going to have a big bounce-back year points-wise, and that Alex is going to be a huge beneficiary.

      If so, negotiations will be really interesting because he’s probably been one of the best values in the league, and may expect quite a bit more in the summer of ’13.

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    • Nick
      April 24, 2012

      My gut instinct about which goalie will be moved seems to be flip flopping by the hour. A lot more teams will want Schneider and he’ll bring a bigger return. Really interesting!

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  7. Frank
    April 24, 2012

    It’s a tricky situation, no doubt.
    First of all, here are 2 goaltenders who both give you a great chance to win. Luongo is proven; Schneider not so much (especially over a whole season). But Schneiders numbers were better than Luongo’s this year.
    Then there is the contract-issue with both. Luongo is signed ‘for life’; what will Schneider ‘demand’, both in cap space and term?
    Third, what will the cap situation for the whole team be? What positions does management feel need to be improved? What cap room is there to do so?
    Fourth, what will Luongo or Schneider bring as a return on the trade market? Yes, Schneider might bring you a better return, but that likely also means a bigger contract coming this way and how will the Canucks fit that under the cap? If Luongo is traded, your return might be less but it does free up more cap space.
    These are just some of the considerations in this complex puzzle.

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  8. Rituro
    April 24, 2012

    From a CBA/legal standpoint, is there a “Plan D” on the table? As in, could GMMG and Luongo rip up the old contract and renegotiate a more cap-friendly or term-friendly (in case moving him yields serious assets) one? Would either want to?

    (For clarification, I consider “keep both” to be “Plan A” and trading either goalie “Plan B/C”.)

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    • peanutflower
      April 24, 2012

      probably not unless Gillis is actually Lu’s agent as well as the GM ;)

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  9. ktownfan
    April 24, 2012

    Overlooked but I think a wild card in this situation is Lack. Gillis had some nice things to say about him today during the presser as well. If Gillis feels Lack is also going to develop into a franchise goalie, Schneider is more expendable, especially considering he will bring more via trade than Lou.

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  10. Amor de Cosmos
    April 24, 2012

    I think Roberto is gone. I’m not happy about it because I think he was treated abysmally in this city, but the fact he’s even talking publicly about waiving his no trade clause effectively says he’s yesterday’s goaltender. It also almost certainly means Gillis has a destination done and dusted. No one in the Canucks organisation acts on a whim, not Aquilani, not Gillis, not Vigneault. As has been pointed out, the plan to move Hodgson was complex and unfolded over a long period. The club has known it would be moving one of their two goalies this summer for over a year and, I’m guessing, had contingencies in place for both. Lou drew the short straw in the end.

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  11. JustSayin'
    April 24, 2012

    First off Harrison, another good article, thanks!

    I like Lu and haven’t trashed him, like some have. However, I do admit I love Schneider and hope we keep him. In my opinion his form is better, which makes him a better goalie. If we don’t have to worry about a trade clause, I would say, Lu for Nash. That would be a fair exchange and Lu wouldn’t have to live in a tough hockey town anymore. Columbus is a nice place to raise a family, Lu….

    Nash could play really well with Kesler, they’d be the dynamic duo. Get a good D man to replace Salo if he decides to retire, and we’d do very well.

    It will be very interesting to see. I agree with Gillis though, hockey is too defensive. Preds vs. Blues in Western Conference Finals (likely), most boring series ever. Can’t be bothered to watch, anything is more exciting than that! Guess if enough people stop watching, something will be done.

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    • obituary mambo
      April 25, 2012

      I caught a Preds/Coyotes game near the end of the season that just about put me into a boredom induced coma. And with LA/St Louis as the alternative, I’m done with the Western Conference for this season. I’ll continue watching the east as long as Philly’s a factor. Betteman and his Wonder Crew must be freaking out about the horrible match-ups that have been drawn out west (not to mention the elimination of his most favouritest [intentional sic] player’s team).

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  12. Barnaby Jones
    April 24, 2012

    What good is the fortune Schneider is worth if we can’t spend it? Trading Luongo frees up a heck of a lot of cap space…

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    • Nick
      April 24, 2012

      I’m not so sure that trading Lu does free up a lot of cap space.

      He makes 5.325 and Schneider is due for a significant raise … if they don’t re-sign him before RFA offer sheets can be submitted, it won’t be surprising if there is one in the 3 to 4 million range.

      At best, I think they save 2 mil if they move Lu, but maybe even less.

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  13. Sandra
    April 24, 2012

    People say the return in trading Luongo will be less. But by trading Luongo, we get Schneider, isn’t that the highest return of the trade?

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  14. Chris the Curmudgeon
    April 24, 2012

    The whole point is to trade Schneider for another high ceiling early career guy with a low cap hit. I wonder if Tampa would part with Victor Hedman as part of a package for him?

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    • Kevin
      April 24, 2012

      Isn’t Hedman a $4M cap hit?

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      • Chris the Curmudgeon
        April 25, 2012

        How much do you think Schneids is going to make? I say he gets at least 4. Besides, we probably will have the cap room, depending on what they do about Mason, Pahlsson, Salo, etc.

        Hedman is a legit up and coming top d-man, he’s a guy the team could really use. I’d say a trade of Schneids and a second player for Hedman, Connolly and a pick could be even. Schneider is insanely valuable, I just wonder if he is enough so to get Tampa to trade someone they value to that extent.

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        • Kevin
          April 25, 2012

          Oh, don’t get me wrong – I’d love to get Hedman. And I do think Schneider will get a big contract. I just don’t consider $4M a “low cap hit”.

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  15. Mt
    April 24, 2012

    I’m not sure Lu would bring in one of Jupiter’s moons. Those things are huge. Outer asteroid belt, maybe.

    I like that you layed out the real dilema here: not CS v. Lu but actually CS + not much vs. Lu+something(s) of impact.

    Lu is a great goalie but his skill level balanced by his age+contract=not a huge value.
    The formula for Shneids on the other hand= way more value.

    That formula, by the way is exactly why Rick Nash shouldn’t (but likely will b/c GMs are seduced by star power) bring much in return. He’s a great player but his cap hit is huge. For the same reason Claude Giroux is the most valuable player in the league. Great player, leaves tonnes of cap-space for others b/c his salary is low, thus his value is extremely high.

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  16. Nick
    April 24, 2012

    Lu is nothing but class. He said the right thing today about being willing to move if it’s best for the team. No matter which goalie goes, it’ll be a sad day for me.

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  17. Nee
    April 24, 2012

    I agree…just because Roberto says he will waive it, doesn’t mean he’ll eventually be gone from Vancouver. Gillis is a shrewd GM…he’ll look at all options.

    I can understand keeping Luongo/trading Cory and vice versa…both have positives to it.

    I will say, if Roberto does get moved, part of me will be quite sad. He’s a great goalie and great person, who has stuck with this market for 6 years despite a crazy amount of pressure.

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  18. Benner
    April 24, 2012

    A challenge to PITB and the analytics crowd…. what is Luongo worth? I’ve heard everything from the Edmonton #1 pick to Rick Nash to a bag of pucks to dump salary.

    Surely there is some formula you guys can come up with that values trades? I’d like to see Drance dance around that one… please, and thank you.

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    • Rituro
      April 24, 2012

      “Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it.”
      -Publilius Syrus

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  19. tj
    April 24, 2012

    Could it be possible the Canucks organization will be interested in letting go some baggage of a particular ‘era’, which Lu is a part? Could he go to Burke’s Toronto (don’t they have a third-round pick?) Could MG wave that around for a something we desperately need? I don’t know enough about the trading minutae, though, as is likely evidenced by the above barrage of questions.

    And what do we need more than anything?

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    • Nick
      April 24, 2012

      Just my two cents … more than anything, I would love to see the Canucks get a dominant, horse of a D. I can’t remember the last cup winner that didn’t have one.

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      • tj
        April 24, 2012

        I’m more inclined to think we need more skill scorers to complement who we have. That LA series was dull as lint with defensiveness. I was under the impression that MG wasn’t interested in changing the skill play.

        Ack… It’s all speculation which at some point becomes anxiety-inducing and not fun. Hell, I’m still mourning Salo’s pending exit that hasn’t been announced.

        (Sad tj)

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        • Josh
          April 24, 2012

          Ya, a nice young scorer would be nice. Three reasons: 1) The Sedins are creeping up in age. 2) I think Gillis has the right of it when he says the defensively minded hockey we are seeing now is an aberration of where the league wants to go. 3) We lack scoring punch in key opportunities.

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  20. akidd
    April 24, 2012

    sure schneider would get a better return. that’s because he’s the bigger asset. don’t you want to keep the bigger asset, especially in the most important position?

    rational thinking people:)

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    • Immie_8
      April 24, 2012

      Depends on the offer you receive for that asset. If someone were willing to massively overpay for said asset it might be worth considering. Of course the question is have you really done a proper job of valuing that asset. IMO, Schneider is worth a lot but Luo is actually worth more than I think that we could get for him. If I’m going to sell something it’s going to be the thing that people are more likely to over value not what they’d under value.

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  21. Zach Morris
    April 24, 2012

    No matter where Luongo ends up, I’m going to buy his jersey (unless it’s Toronto) and continue to be his biggest fan.
    LU FOR LIFE!

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  22. tj
    April 24, 2012

    Btw… Anyone know why AV doesn’t have a presser video?

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    • Brent
      April 24, 2012

      I don’t think he gave one that speaks volumes to me. I suspect he will be in Montreal before we know it. Too bad.

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  23. Brent
    April 24, 2012

    Does anyone know if there is going to be a “meet the players” event for the end of the season? I would love to give Luongo a big hug (it a totally heterosexual kind of a way) before he leaves.

    Am I jumping to conclusions too soon?

    Plus it would be cool to see the rest of the players and maybe get my Hendrik jersey signed.

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    • Chazz Ranger
      April 24, 2012

      Can’t tell if trolling or really has a Henrik Sedin jersey with a “D” in Henrik.

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      • Brent
        April 24, 2012

        spelling isn’t my forte

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  24. Seasontickets
    April 24, 2012

    Lets look at this from Gillis’ perspective. Luongo won’t agree to a trade to a non contender so that means he goes to a team who could compete for a Stanley Cup. Remember Cam Neely? I can’t remember the name of the GM who made the worst trade in Canucks history but if Gillis traded Luongo to a contender and they won the Stanley Cup because Luongo stood on his head what would he be labelled as? Trading Schneider is the right move if you are worried about your legacy and a guy with an ego as big as Gillis worries about his legacy.

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  25. Lenny
    April 24, 2012

    The TSN Panel is guessing where Luongo might be traded already… oh my god I feel so bad for Lui.

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  26. Chris
    April 24, 2012

    I dont know if this has been mentioned yet, but if you look at Roberto’s language in the interview, he used used past tense in his expression. “they” have decided…… “I HAD 6 great years here….

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  27. sox/canucks fan
    April 25, 2012

    Well, it seems to be time for someone with more of it that I have to devote to options. Cory’s RFA value implications, for example, seem to be a long view question worth examining that hasn’t been examined yet.

    Also, I just have to say that Lou handled today with real grace. No platitudes. So sincere how he expressed himself. That’s a team guy, despite what cynics might say.

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  28. J21 (@Jyrki21)
    April 25, 2012

    Let’s get a few things straight in terms of what keeps creeping into the narrative:

    - Vancouver is no more a “goalie graveyard” than any place else. It is a unique position in hockey and the one most visible on every goal. There is a lightning rod effect as a result.

    The Flyers, for years, have blamed their goaltending for every playoff exit, as well as global warming, human cargo and gas prices. Sometimes they are not far off, but they have hardly been in a different league than everyone else goalie wise. Look at the PGH-PHA series this year — M-A Fleury is getting crucified in Pittsburgh, and both guys in Philadelphia. Maybe, just maybe, it was a free-flowing series with lots of chances, and it’s not always about the goaltending.

    Montreal is notoriously harsh on their goalies — much more so than Vancouver. They had a revolving door after Roy left that made the Vancouver crease look like a model of stability. The fans did everything they could to turf Carey Price after Jaroslav Halak’s heroics in 2010. They are also a one-sport town (they were even when the Expos were around) and the media — not just sportswriters — focus obsessively on every aspect of the Habs. Plus you have the added political/linguistic dimension.

    Other examples have been cited above (Quick in LA, Crawford in Chicago, there have been several in St. Louis, and many others). If there is one universal truth about hockey fans, they are very preoccupied by goaltending.

    - Luongo is not being “run out of town”. The only — ONLY — reason we have come to this point is because of the emergence of Cory Schneider. There was never any pressure to “dump” Luongo when Sabourin, Sanford, Labarbera or Raycroft were around, because Luongo was clearly better than them all. The fact that Schneider surpassed Luongo in performance this season, while being younger, cheaper and more technically sound, and the fact that you can only have one starting goaltender, has made the Canucks need to make a choice.

    Mason Raymond is getting “run out of town” by fans. Luongo did not. He was a hero for the vast, vast majority of time in his career. Fans soured on him a bit this year because suddenly there was a new alternative (without any baggage yet — that will come in due time) and many felt he was giving the team a better chance to win. And long-term, it’s an either/or proposition.

    - They say: “The dumb Canuck fans will just turn on Schneider next”. You know what? If Eddie Läck emerges and becomes the next big thing, they just might — because it will be a repeat of this exact scenario, which does not happen every day. Look, turnover in a roster is a natural thing and a way to stay competitive long-term (again, look at Detroit, and how seamlessly they moved from a Hull/Yzerman/Hasek team to a Datsyuk/Zetterberg/Howard one). It’s what Schumpeter called “creative destruction” and it’s how economies stay effiicient as well. Out-with-the-old-in-with-the-new is hardly revolutionary.

    But assuming this doesn’t happen, and Eddie Läck does not appear to outplay the starter, then this likely won’t happen without some other extrinsic reason (like Schneider “hates Canada” or some such). Again, only idiots say “Luongo is bad” in the abstract. Analysts might reasonably (and do) say, however, “Schneider has been better, and makes more sense long term, no matter how good Luongo still is”. If you can’t substitute Läck (or someone else) for Schneider, and Schneider for Luongo in that situation, you’re making a false comparison. Which goes back to the running-out-of-town point above.

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    • obituary mambo
      April 25, 2012

      Brilliant as usual. I applaud you.

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      • J21 (@Jyrki21)
        April 25, 2012

        Thanks! I blow kisses in return. ;)

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  29. Amor de Cosmos
    April 25, 2012

    “Luongo is not being “run out of town”. The only — ONLY — reason we have come to this point is because of the emergence of Cory Schneider.”

    I agree Lou’s not being “run out of town” exactly but there were diffuse negative mumblings before Schneider’s elevation to the squad. These revolved mainly around his contract — which a sizeable number of people regarded as a millstone as soon as it was announced — and awarding him the captaincy. The latter was clearly a mistake and quickly rectified but it left a residual impression in some people’s minds that Luongo was haughty or imperious in accepting the C in the first place: “Who does he think he is?” “Goalies aren’t captains.” In soccer terms he looked to them like Billy Big Bollox. A star player who parachutes into a team and expects the moon and the stars for breakfast. Most of this is, of course, ridiculous in Luongo’s case but it was definitely a perception in some quarters. For those people the emergence of Schneider provided a tangible positive alternative to the their unease regarding Lou and they seized on it.

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  30. Chris T.
    April 25, 2012

    Schneids for Evander Kane and a D Man. Heard it here first.

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  31. Peter Lee
    April 25, 2012

    don’t need to change the golies as lungo and cory and this yearcoaches……they are all good team to….this year bad luck to players but don’t panic to loose and next season
    they can win the battle from mistakes…….it’s key players to key area and support players….

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  32. Dane
    April 25, 2012

    I might be mistaken but doesn’t Schneider become a Restricted Free Agent this off season? If so, do we have to offer him a contract/offer sheet before we can really trade him for anything of worth? Or could they trade him like they did Ehrhoff (right to negotiate), which would be stupid in this instance. Could it be possible that another team offers him a contract that we are unable or unwilling to match? If so, what do we get out of it? A few draft picks and possibly some compo?

    I could be wrong, in which case, don’t mind me, but, if it’s true, this whole thing could be a non -issue. we could be robbed of Schneider and Lou will remain are starter.

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