Enjoying Cory Schneider’s success has been difficult this season

Alain Vigneault announced this morning what everyone already expected: Cory Schneider will start in the Canucks’ must-win game four in Los Angeles. While he faced fewer shots in Sunday’s game three than Roberto Luongo faced in games one or two, the fact remains that Schneider allowed just one goal, played solid, and deserves the chance to repeat his performance.

I’m thrilled for Schneider, who has had a phenomenal season, finishing second in the league in save percentage and third in goals against average, with a 20-8-1 record. He’s hard-working, has a great personality, and has been an exceptional teammate, so it’s great to see him rewarded. At least, it’s mostly great.

For the same reason that it’s been hard to enjoy his success this season, it’s hard to enjoy seeing him rewarded, because every success for Schneider has been treated like a failure for Luongo.

Every time that Schneider made a fantastic save or won a big game this season, I couldn’t enjoy it on its own merits. In the back of my mind, I knew that it just meant I was about to see articles from the mainstream media invoking a goalie controversy and a number of fans on Twitter calling for Luongo to be traded. Instead of being able to appreciate having two of the best goaltenders in the league on the roster, I felt that I had to constantly defend the best goalie the Canucks have ever had.

There’s no arguing that Luongo is the best goalie in franchise history: he holds the franchise record in wins, shutouts, save percentage, and goals against average and helped lead the team to their third Stanley Cup Final, posting two 1-0 shutouts in the seven-game series. Thing is, Schneider may prove to be even better. While he doesn’t have the proven track record of Luongo, he has been consistently fantastic this season.

I like Schneider. I really do. But I can’t stand that every time he plays well, all that anyone can talk about is Luongo. As soon as Schneider was announced as the starter for game four, Twitter erupted with speculation about Luongo asking for a trade, or what the cap implications would be of buying him out, or what teams would be interested in acquiring Luongo.

Let’s remember that this season isn’t even over yet. There will be plenty of time in the off-season to discuss the future of Schneider and Luongo in Vancouver. For the moment, can’t we just appreciate them both? Why does every success for one have to be treated as a failure by the other?

Does Schneider give the Canucks the best chance to win game four? Perhaps, though it is far more dependent on the Canucks picking up their offensive game and powerplay, things that neither Schneider nor Luongo can do anything about. So, for the moment, let’s put aside discussions of trades or controversies. Let’s avoid comparisons to Jaroslav Halak and Carey Price. Let’s just cheer on the Canucks as they take the ice tonight.

Including Cory Schneider.

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94 comments

  1. CanuckFanInSF
    April 18, 2012

    My main issue is the fact that LA has us 3-cob and what we’re worrying about are things that can be covered in the summer. It’s so stupid and honestly it bugs the crap out of me as a fan. Rally behind the team instead of trying to make unfounded – and mind you, divisive – speculation.

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  2. Canucksgold
    April 18, 2012

    Thank you for the rational approach the past season. It was definitely needed, more so this year with the many dramas.

    I will miss PITB in the off season if the boys don’t steal a win tonight. Let’s hope they do win, so we can all enjoy the level headed perspective mixed with quirky humour. And great Hockey, Higgins’ abs, Keslurks, playoff AV, etc. for a while longer!

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    • Daniel Wagner
      April 18, 2012

      We don’t stop posting in the off-season, by the way. You can enjoy PITB all year long.

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      • Canucksgold
        April 18, 2012

        Oh oh, now I will be glued to my laptop instead of playing outside. ;-)

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        • Kenji
          April 18, 2012

          Yes, thanks a lot, cardio- and Vitamin D-robbing postheads. (Hmphs)

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        • the real bob
          April 19, 2012

          exercise and leaving your house is for the weak!

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  3. Anonymous
    April 18, 2012

    Yep this is exactly what’s been bugging me over the past two years. I can’t enjoy it because it’s being shoved down my throat that it’s either/or, we can’t have both and that having Cory means Lu is a failure. Every Cory start in “big games” means they don’t trust Lu/his time here is coming to an end!!!!!111111

    It’s sad. I remember earlier on in the season other fanbases would mock our situation and I think it was PITB who said ‘really? our problem is that we have two great goaltenders? something ever team in the league would kill to have?’ But yeah, I feel like especially in this market we can’t even be happy with this surplus of talent we do have, like we won’t allow ourselves to enjoy it.

    Maybe its the fact that we’re so used to having problems with goaltending combined with the jealousy of other teams making this way more negative than it should be, but it’s ridiculous that it’s come to this.

    I love both our goalies and will root for either one who is in between the pipes wearing our jersey. Go Canucks.

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  4. Lucky
    April 18, 2012

    Glad you wrote this. I agree! The media immediately jumps on the whole goalie controversy issue. Why can’t it just be left at that Cory is playing this game and Luongo is playing that game. Right now it’s more important that the Canucks actually works on SCORING goals…the media and fans shouldn’t be worried about who is in net. Our team just can’t score right now.

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  5. akidd
    April 18, 2012

    pitb certainly did its very best to stem the flow of popular sentiment. if anyone epitomizes the ‘eirther/or’ argument it’s you guys. you damned schneider with faint praise all year round(when you weren’t completely ignoring him.) and featured upteen articles either trumpeting lou or making excuses for him. you guys were lou’s biggest media boosters by far and your support of schneider was pretty much non-existant(schneider’s ‘b’ grade in particular was some audacious spin. and for a blog that enjoys its stats schneider’s wonderful numbers this year never saw the light of day on this site.)

    so whether you were under directive from ‘the man’ or simply sentimental fans of lou you certainly gave it the old college try. hopefully now you can get back to some semblance of objectivity, not a bad consolation prize.

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    • Daniel Wagner
      April 18, 2012

      Seriously, dude? I just explained exactly why it upset me all season long that I couldn’t simply enjoy Schneider’s success on its own merits. Just because I didn’t throw Luongo under the bus all season long doesn’t mean I’m not being objective.

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      • akidd
        April 18, 2012

        i never said you should throw lou under a bus. i like lou. he can be a great goalie. he was team mvp up until about march. but your support of schneider and his amazing season was conspicuously absent. if you want to call it, ” not being able to enjoy schneider’s success,’ that’s fine.

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      • anon
        April 18, 2012

        akidd, you must be a mainstream media member. it’s so obvious because you don’t share the same opinions of pitb, and anyone that doesn’t share the same opinions as pitb is totally msm.

        it’s that same evil msm that didn’t allow daniel to enjoy schneider’s year, because msm made daniel focus on the goaltending controversy (which totally doesn’t exist, it’s just a byproduct of the overly-reactionary msm).

        and daniel can’t just ignore the msm, because they’re the people that provide stories and quotes and access and opinions like blogs for pitb to piggyback off. so he has to listen to the msm, even though everything the msm says is dumb and sophomoric and reactionary.

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        • Daniel Wagner
          April 18, 2012

          Hooray for strawmanning!

          And I have a press pass of my own, thank you very much.

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          • anon
            April 18, 2012

            how many times have you used it?

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            • Harrison Mooney
              April 18, 2012

              Not sure how that’s any of your business at all.

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              • anon
                April 18, 2012

                that’s code for “once, maybe twice” right?

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        • Kenji
          April 18, 2012

          Wait, that was sarcasm!

          I discern in your post that you think that PiTB’s contrarianism is a pose or a chimera (or a posing chimera — I’m pretty sure I saw one in SPOILER WARNING Cabin in the Woods) in that he gets his stuff from the paper. Well, ok. But that in no way should oblige him to parrot any sentiments found there — and if he did, why read PiTB? Secondly, it is not like the paper really digs up these quotes. The team serves them up. As a veteran feeder of the press-junket trough, there is a huge difference between obligatory, stage-managed ‘access’ and journalism. There are very few NHL journalists — Russ Conway perhaps. What passes for original quotes are those which are granted en masse to the throngs getting tape that they then rush back to edit. On the evidence of the coloumn-writing Ed Willeses and Cam Coles of this market, the MSM consists of guys sitting around throwing out ideas, which is what PiTB does. The difference is that PiTB doesn’t make me throw up in my mouth.

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    • Harrison Mooney
      April 18, 2012

      Wow. Dude, give it a rest.

      I’ve explained those grades numerous times now and they were based on mid-season. No doubt Schneider would earn a higher one for the entirety of the season. You’re the one who’s had an agenda all year and gotten pushy and accused us of some conspiracy or bias whenever we don’t agree with you.

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    • Embrace Change
      April 18, 2012

      PITB is great, but Akidd is absolutely right on this. I would have really appreciated an honest article on Luongo and Schneider if you were going to comment on it. Sometimes it seemed like PITB was doing PR for Luongo. Luongo is a great goalie, so is Schneider.

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      • jer
        April 18, 2012

        I know it’s not popular but I’m gonna have to agree with these 2 (apart from the strange suggestion that you’ve been coerced into backing Lu?!). It felt to me like your coverage of the 2 goalies was slanted in a reactionary way – I guess you as much admit the reaction in this article when you say you coudln’t enjoy Schneider’s success because you dreaded the fan & media response. I guess I wonder why you would let fan and/or media response stop you from enjoying Schneider’s success.

        I’m really not trying to have a go at Daniel or Harrison, it’s a great blog you’ve got, and when I disagree with your opinions, you’re still two of the best writers around.

        And I know you value balanced coverage, and feel the need to be the counterpoint at times to what you perceive as hysteria, and I don’t begrudge you that. But I do feel the general tone here has been a bit unfair to CS and a bit hyperbolic in its praise of RL, Drance’s controversial IWTG aside. ;) Just my 2 cents though.

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        • Daniel Wagner
          April 18, 2012

          Of course our coverage was slanted. That’s kind of my point.

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          • peanutflower
            April 18, 2012

            Well, Luongo is the one who does have a contract, after all. Schneider is the BACK UP goalie. I want to see MORE blogs supporting Luongo, not blogs pumping Schneider’s tires lol. There’s no doubt that Cory is a little gem waiting to gather big dough for the Canucks. Luongo is the one who needs support from the sitting on the fence sometimes faithful depending on the day “fans”, not Schneider.

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            • Daniel Wagner
              April 18, 2012

              Schneider didn’t need anyone defending him this season; no one was attacking him. We can sometimes end up being more reactive than proactive on PITB and this is one of those instances.

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          • akidd
            April 18, 2012

            slanted? objective? which is it? it can’t be both.

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            • Daniel Wagner
              April 18, 2012

              I think you’re missing what I’m saying: this season, we have more adamantly defended Luongo, because he was attacked more. That doesn’t make me biased towards Luongo, it just means that more defence of Luongo was needed.

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              • BS
                April 18, 2012

                So do you think defending a player and saying he wont be traded based on his long history is a good idea versus assessing his recent play (say 2 years),, age, contract, team needs etc? While it shows loyalty it doesnt lend itself to the ultimate goal, Winning a Cup.
                Sure Luongo will be remembered as a very good goalie, the best to put on a canucks jersey, but in the same breath everyone will say he couldnt win the big ones, He wont be back even if that means eating a huge chunk of his contract. He has to much pride to sit on the bench and the canucks cant afford both

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              • Daniel Wagner
                April 18, 2012

                He posted 2 shutouts in the Stanley Cup Final last year. I still think it’s possible that Gillis will trade Luongo, but I definitely don’t think it’s certain. But discussing that right now is pointless. The series isn’t over and it’s still up in the air how well Schneider will perform. All I’m saying right now is that I want to forget the goalie controversy entirely and just appreciate Schneider for how well he performs without comparing that performance to Luongo.

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          • jer
            April 18, 2012

            DW, I didn’t realize you were stating that your coverage was slanted – I took this article to mean that you felt the need to defend RL. I think you can do the latter without the former, don’t you? Again, not begrudging you your viewpoint or your reactions.

            I guess I’m just not sure what you’re trying to say – your point is that your coverage was slanted, and… ?

            (I want to repeat, because I know internet comments are just the worst for constructive dialogue – I’m not trying to be a dick or prove a point, I’m genuinely curious in the questions I ask.)

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            • BS
              April 18, 2012

              Maybe its just me but if I recall he gave up 12 in 2 games in the final as well. A 3.0 GAA doesnt go far in the playoffs. I could put 4 of those goals on AV actually as he should have pulled him long before he gave up that many. Then again I dont think AV will be back either.

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        • anon
          April 18, 2012

          welcome to pitb, where nothing is ever wrong with the canucks and nothing ever will be. anyone that suggests otherwise is probably one of those reactionary msm types (even though we work for msm.) now please enjoy this japanimation cartoon and harrison’s obscure musical references.

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          • jer
            April 18, 2012

            “now please enjoy this japanimation cartoon and harrison’s obscure musical references.”

            ok, accurate or not that was kind of a dick post, but that last line made me laugh.

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          • Harrison Mooney
            April 18, 2012

            This comment is equal parts hilarious and unfair.

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            • Brian Beitz
              April 18, 2012

              I, for one, am proud to have brought the latest japanimation Canucks cartoon to the attention of PitB. I hope to see more soon.

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        • The Bookie
          April 18, 2012

          jer just said what I was struggling to put into words.

          I still love you pitb, but yeah, you’ve become something like Lu’s personal bodyguards these days.

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        • JS Topher
          April 19, 2012

          I don’t know about everyone else here but, I enjoy coming to PiTB because it focuses on what is really happening than what is simply just a story.

          However.

          Sometimes, in order to do that, they end up responding to other stories from the MSM that are more focused on sales and readership than being objective. By doing so, they end up creating a bit of a slant in their product. Not necessarily due to a particular bias but, because their purpose is to defend the opposing argument.

          If Roberto Luongo is being picked apart left right and centre in thousands of articles all year, and PiTB are trying to ensure a fair look at both sides, then of course they will end up writing a dozen or so pieces in support of Luongo. Unfortunately, that ends up looking slanted. The truth is Cory Schnieder doesn’t need any help being pumped up because the world loves him regardless (for now). Luongo has a lot of haters and PiTB is one of the few outlets that is helping people stay MORE objective on the matter. They aren’t going to change anybody’s minds but, they can certainly help us be more informed. If you want to talk about Cory Schnieder, turn on Team 1040, open up the Province, hit up Twitter, or ask your Grandmother.

          The thing is, that we should, as responsible fans, absorb as much information from as many sources as possible to stay objective and informed. Why do you think so many good bloggers refer (and link) to each other’s work? (Aside from networking style promotion) I can’t speak for Daniel and Harrison but, I’ve always understood PiTB to be about finishing the part of the story that hasn’t been told. Unlike the MSM, however, they do so mostly by facts, or at the very least, informed opinions. Occassionally, it’s based on how they feel about something but, they never try to pass it off as anything other than just that. If you don’t like reading about Lu, or any other MSM scapegoat/ whipping boy that they are making a fair case for, then stop reading it. Go read the Province, call in to Team1040 or, write a letter to Tony Gallagher explaining how he’s the greatest in the business.

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      • Mt
        April 18, 2012

        Funny to say that now, because this is exactly that: an honest article. It doesn’t get more honest than saying that it is hard to see something for what it is because of the asymmetrical reaction to it! I felt that the coverage of the tenders was slanted as a result of being a bit reactionary towards the reactionaries (ie. ‘CS played well tonight but Lu could have too’ sort of commentary). However, Wagner is being super honest about the difficulty of navigation the crazy reaction and seeing something for what it is.
        Given that, get off his case. I have nothing but good to say about these guys except for the goalie coverage (never a big deal) and that is more that made up for by this honest article.

        Good article, thanks.

        One other thing: the quick slide to talk of failure isn’t just a product of a silly fanbase but also the particulars of the situation: one of them has to be chosen by management to stay and one to leave at the end of the year. Given that, people are drawing conclusions (premature, maybe, even malicious at times, sure) from what they see. It’s pretty inevitable even if it sometimes spins off into crazy-town and gets in the way of the hockey.

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        • jer
          April 18, 2012

          Mt – well spoken.

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          • Harrison Mooney
            April 18, 2012

            Jer, here’s the story on this year:

            We don’t begrudge Cory Schneider at all. We love the guy. He’s fantastic, he’s great with the media, and he’s definitely had a better year than Luongo. If he stays and Luongo goes, it’s a defensible choice, as he appears ready to be a number one.

            But all year long we’ve had to endure anti-Luongo rhetoric and since this is an opinion blog and our opinion is that this rhetoric is unfair, we’ve spent plenty of energy refuting it.

            It’s not like we haven’t been critical of Luongo. He’s never been above reproach. I, like many people, feel Luongo can be mentally fragile and a bit of a headcase and I’ve said so several times. But he’s still the best goaltender in Canucks history and it’s been bewildering to watch the media and the fanbase attempt to railroad him out of town based on a weird, distorted perception and some negative reporting.

            As for Schneider, akidd has been sore all year because we gave Schneider a lower grade than he wanted on the midseason report cards, one of the few posts we wrote that was requested by our editors. We gave Schneider a B, because at that time, neither he nor Luongo had been flawless, and, as per the the request, we weren’t handing out minuses and pluses. (Were we, Schneider’s B would have been a B-plus). I spelled this all out several times and yet akidd still raged on us for not giving Schneider an A (which at that time was undeserved), and has been accusing us of some blind, pro-Luongo bias ever since.

            But I would argue that we’ve never been unfair to Cory. We just haven’t been unfair to Luongo either. And in a market that is constantly unfair to Luongo, it stands out. As Daniel said, it’s been frustrating at times to watch Schneider’s success because it’s NEVER viewed on its own — it’s always filtered through Luongo’s failure, often unnecessarily. If we’ve fallen into the trap of doing the same thing in a reactionary sense, that’s on us. But it’s silly to accuse us of being Luongo-boosters when that’s never been the case.

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        • J21
          April 19, 2012

          Yup, this is the song I was singing last time one of these threads came up — it essentially is an either/or proposition, so this is why people are treating everything like an audition. The same thing happens with quarterbacks in football. Note that it does not happen with hockey wingers or football linebackers, however. It’s a product of the numbers, and it happens in every market.

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    • Dane
      April 18, 2012

      I couldn’t disagree more.

      Living on the other side of the planet I am not constantly bombarded with anti/pro Lou/Schneider articles and thank god for that. I come to PITB to read the IWTG for any game I miss, which, through the course of a season is a fair few as most of the games are on when I’m at work. I’ve only ever read objective, logical and passionate opinions on ALL Canucks players, and just about every other team come to think about it. From what I read they are neither in the Lou or Schneider camp, but rather the canucks camp, praising (or criticising) both equally when it is appropriate.

      It seems to me the only thing they are doing is trying to inject some sane thinking into the argument that Luongo should be sent packing every time he lets in goal. If you can point me in the direction of a more objective blog/column, I’m all ears… or eyes, as it were.

      Keep it up PITB. To this Aussie fan, you’re doing a bang up job.

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    • Nick
      April 19, 2012

      I usually agree with akidd’s comments, and also with this one. Schneider’s just had one of the best statistical seasons on record. But it was often ignored here, and even downplayed with comments about how he’s just a backup and how he couldn’t stand the pressure if he was a #1.

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      • Nick
        April 19, 2012

        Looking back on it, the only time I’ve really disagreed with akidd was about his negative take on the Hodgson-Kassian trade. But now that I’ve seen Zack play, I’m starting to re-think that too.

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    • warren
      April 21, 2012

      this comment by akidd is surprising to me. i used to value akidd’s comments, what’s with this off the wall rant kidd? pitb is the best most positive blog i can find…

      in this case “so whether you were under directive from “the man” makes you sound silly.

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  6. Chicky
    April 18, 2012

    Oh man I was just thinking the same thing. Why can’t we appreciate the fact that we have TWO awesome goalies. And yes, I would wish we could keep them both, but I know reality is not going to pan out that way. I plan to enjoy this for as long as it lasts.

    We’re fortunate, too bad most of the media can’t just come right out and say it.

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  7. sarah
    April 18, 2012

    The sign of every truly great love triangle is that you really do appreciate both parties that are competing for the love and affection.

    While Lu/Schneids/Vancouver may never achieve the greatness of Seth/Summer/Anna [yes, I am going to reference the OC] it’s still is pretty great. I really do like Lu [his amazing saves, the "great save Luongos," and his is it/isn't it twitter account]. That said, I do really like Schneids too [his red headedness, his unfortunate puck handling, his perfect interviews].

    Either way the Canucks go on the off season, they can’t lose [since they'll get either a Vezina nominated Goalie or a one who has a strong likelihood of being nominated in the not-so-distant future]. They also can’t win though because either way they go in the off season they’ll be questioned about it for the next 12 or so years.

    Still will be interesting to see which of these two is wearing the Blue and Green mask…

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    • sarah
      April 18, 2012

      and I like Schneid’s amazing saves too.

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      • MelT
        April 18, 2012

        Anna! I still can’t believe he let her go…

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        • obituary mambo
          April 20, 2012

          Anna was way too similar to Seth. Why would you ever want to date a mirror image of yourself. Surely that borders on incestuous if not something even squickier.

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  8. peanutflower
    April 18, 2012

    It’s 2:36 pm. I can’t even read this article. I’m not going to read any articles. I’m contemplating pretending to study for exams that will masquerade starting to imbibe 5 hours before the game starts. I’ve re-arranged the lucky “stuff”, put up the 5 x 7 foot Canucks sign on the house, ironed the t-shirt, put on an extra car flag just in case. I think that’s it. Love you guys, PITB. Go Canucks! I have faith.

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  9. peanutflower
    April 18, 2012

    And seriously, I doing give a flying V what goalie starts. Two quick goals and the game is ours. I know it.

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    • Chicky
      April 18, 2012

      I’ve got my t, and I’m wearing blue/green eyeshadow, you know, just in case. I’m also listening to the same tunes on the playlist as last year as well.

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    • SteveB
      April 18, 2012

      Let’s just cheer on the Canucks as they take the ice tonight.

      Amen.

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  10. natevk
    April 18, 2012

    People talking about trading Luo are ridiculous. If anything, having Schneider start these games could be seen as enhancing his trade value for the off-season, proving he can handle the pressure of the playoffs, thereby implying that Luo is around for good…

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    • BS
      April 18, 2012

      So Lou laying eggs in the playoffs is acceptable to you? Schneider is 7 years younger and could easily play another 10 years. Luongo is clearly on the decline and wont play another 5. Havent you noticed the team plays way better in front of Schnieder? I guess that would require actual knowledge of the game and ability to assess talent and play. Good to see the rest of the brain dead homers agree with you though.

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      • Chako Mika
        April 18, 2012

        Hey BS this ain’t CDC maybe leave the name calling over there. if you can’t appreciate the blog or other people’s opinions, then go somewhere else.

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      • iceman
        April 19, 2012

        Your post couldn’t fit your handle any better… BS.

        Now go back to the asylum where you belong (CDC).

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  11. TubaNat
    April 18, 2012

    Coming from a country where the main sport has a very limited trading culture (AFL for those of you playing at home) I still can’t get used to the way so many people discuss trades so flippantly. I might be a little old fashioned, but I love guys who play their whole career with the one team and really wish it wasn’t getting quite so rare. I’m not anti-trade, I just want to cling to the pipe dream where we keep both goalies for the rest of their (highly successful) careers…

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    • Canuck In Oz
      April 18, 2012

      Exactly. Coming from Canada to Melbourne, and following Australian Rules, I thought the concept of someone playing a whole 10-15 year career with one team was amazing. Probably just because it seems somewhat out of place with what goes on in the rest of the sports world. Alas with free agency about to kick in (next year I think?) then we’ll be seeing less and less of that in AFL.

      How cool would it be to think of having both Lu & Cory in the lineup for even the next five, assuming both play to their potential. Yeah…pipe dream.

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  12. dougster
    April 18, 2012

    The best of all possible worlds has the cap space going up $10 mil and we get to keep both of them… There are a lot of teams that would be happy to have either one of our goalies–they are both great! As for tonight… go get ‘em Nucks!

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  13. Sammyc69
    April 18, 2012

    What I find equally perplexing is the notion, often articulated on a local radio program I dare note name, that Vancouver has an inordinate number of knowledgeable hockey fans and that, as a result, comments made by said fans can be vitriolic and sensational. I’m curious whether anyone can unequivocally gauge how hockey smart this market is. Yes, we’re knowledgeable about the team, the rules of the game, etc. Everyone around me seems to talk a good game. The problem is that I don’t buy the argument that Vancouver fans are that knowledgeable. I spent years playing minor rep hockey, junior B, and even a stint playing pro in net in the former Yugoslavia as a 19 year old. I still don’t consider myself an expert. I’m still a student of the game and I am hesitant to make the same heated statements that local “hockey experts” make everyday. I point to the couple of goofballs on my adult rec league team, guys who have played the game for maybe 3 years, who spout off about their theories and pronouncements on what Vancouver should do with regard to goaltending. My message to those of you who think you know hockey – STFU. Enjoy the game and the team. You don’t know as much as you think you do. It’s time for this market to take stock and start acting like other markets where the fans are far more appreciative of their teams and less arrogant about what they claim to know about the game. If this faux goalie controversy tells us anything, it’s that this market is good at destroying a good thing. And if I had ever made it beyond pro hockey in Europe, I would never have wanted to play here.

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    • Dane
      April 18, 2012

      Well said. George McPhee of the Caps summed it up nicely on the first NHL 24/7:

      “All the experts, all the pundits come out with their opinions. The truth of the matter is, if they knew anything about the game, they’d be in it.”

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    • John in Marpole
      April 19, 2012

      The majority of the callers/emailers put on the air on 1040 are proof of the lack of knowledge of the game on the part of the local populus.

      I’d wager some serious cash (say even $5.00) that many of these ‘experts’ rely exclusively on their road hockey and XBox careers for their opinions.

      In so many cases the opinions of callers are 180 degrees opposed to what true insiders – players/explayers and the like – think, which further proves that the sum total of the value of those callers opinions is less than or equal to the chances of the Toronto Maple Leafs winning the Stanley Cup in 2012.

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  14. wheres my stick
    April 18, 2012

    louongo 12TH 15TH etc.
    how do you figure
    the stickless bellyflopping
    stationary snowangel is a
    top notch goalie

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    • wheres my stick
      April 18, 2012

      told ya

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  15. cindy
    April 18, 2012

    hear, hear. this post reflects exactly how i feel…when i’m happy for schneider, i feel when i’m somehow saying that lou isn’t great too. i like ‘em both…they both bring a lot (and different things) to the game and we’re lucky to have two sensational goalies to choose from. one of these days, we’re not going to be so lucky and when lou retires or moves from vancouver, they’ll be canonizing him as the next patron saint of vancouver even though a lot of people treated him like crap when he was here. aaahhhh, our memories are so short!

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  16. JC
    April 18, 2012

    Honestly, the hostility that Luongo’s seen from the general Vancouver fanbase is the reason why we can’t have nice things. The guy is going to finish his career in the top 10 NHL wins all time. ALL TIME. IN THE LEAGUE. He led us to a game of the Holy Grail. Yet we vilify him, deride him, and generally talk down on him. All we talk about are his “McSofties (tm Botch)” and his inability to win big games (*cough*2010 Olympics never happened? *cough*) but few seem to discuss his merits. The guy has eclipsed all of our beloved Kirk McLean’s numbers in almost half the tenure length. Yet Vancouver cannot wait to see Luongo pack his bags for greener pastures elsewhere. It’s completely disheartening.

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    • BS
      April 18, 2012

      If you think we won gold because of Luongo you really need to see a doctor. He was OK but not terrific. He didnt win us any games but certainly didnt cost us any. Fans here really dont know squat about the game.

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      • tom selleck's moustache
        April 18, 2012

        Typical double standard. If the team loses, it’s because of Luongo. If the team wins, it’s despite him.

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  17. TIM DOUBROFF
    April 18, 2012

    Sick sick sick and tired of people complaining about Vancouver being a goalie graveyard while they hold a shovel with fresh dirt and sod on it. Isn’t there a hockey saying that goes something like “having two great compatible and interchangeable goalies on the team is better than one (potentially consistent) goalie in the net”?

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  18. Kellen78
    April 18, 2012

    If trading Schneids would give us a top 6 D (say Columbus,Nash) while trading Luu to Tampa would get us a 2nd prospect + Vincent Lecavalier, I think MG will trade Schneids more than Luu. Our window is closing within the next few years when the Sedins go past their prime so we need players who will give immediate impact and fill the holes.

    Well, Luongo can always say I’m gonna screw you over vancouver, and refuse to waive. No way he will waive to Toronto, and with his cap space, we won’t be able to keep Schneids even if we promise him #1, since he’d be getting money that the Nucks can’t match for starting elsewhere. MG need to wait til 2014-15 to get his right to waive, but by then this team will already be on decline.

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    • Toxgold
      April 18, 2012

      There are fans saying MG can somehow force Luongo to ask for a trade by making Schneider No. 1 and making Luongo the back up if he stays here. But what if Luongo knows they can’t keep Schneider without dealing him or letting someone else go from the team without getting a replacement, thus destroying the team’s depth. Then what options does MG have? Tell Luongo he’s making Eddie Lack the starter? No one on the team would want to continue to play or want to come here if that’s the case. Starter goalies usually have clause prohibiting them getting dropped to AHL.
      At the end of the day, what happens to Luongo and Schneider rests all on Luongo’s choice.

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  19. BS
    April 18, 2012

    Best canucks goalie ever yes but blah blah blah. Living in the past wont help. Schneider has been the far better goalie this year. His age and contract are in favor of the canucks. Luongo has been wildly inconsistent and has laid eggs in biggest games. The real downfall of Luongo is the stupid contract Gillis gave him. I dont fault Luongo for accepting it. At $2 million a year its no big deal but at the $10 mill he made each of the past 2 years the fans and management/owners expect him to deliver. Defend him all you want but he wont be back

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  20. Colby
    April 18, 2012

    On another note, is anyone else missing Samuelsson as much as me? I know Booth is better long term and I hated Sturm, but we are missing Samuelsson`s clutchiness and power play skills. He well likely end up outscoring all of the Canucks combined in the first round for Florida..

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    • Kenji
      April 20, 2012

      I liked MS quite a lot, he was one of your underrated tough-ish Euros that could do a bit of everything, but I’m thinking we would have still likely missed him because of his high mileage. Booth frustrates me as doing so little with so much but at least he’s strong and relatively young.

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  21. Mikey85
    April 18, 2012

    Speaking of the game tonight, Kobe Byrant will most likely show up again. We really should counter it with projecting a Steve Nash hologram, too bad he’s playing in Phoenix tonight.

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  22. wheres my stick
    April 18, 2012

    luo is out cause we cant afford
    another divas meltdown

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  23. Colby
    April 18, 2012

    The kings depth at the celebrity position is unbeatable.

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    • the real bob
      April 18, 2012

      we’ll trade the 1st round pick for will farrell…or not…

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  24. KB
    April 18, 2012

    Schneider is clearly a more talented goalie than Luongo and also appears to be better liked by his teammates. Goal is the only position on the Canucks where the player who performs best is not rewarded with more ice time, which is at the root of much of the animosity that is directed toward Luongo. In truth, it really should be aimed at Alain Vigneault.

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    • Daniel Wagner
      April 18, 2012

      There has never been an indication that Luongo’s teammates don’t like him. Ever.

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  25. Snepsts
    April 18, 2012

    Good write-up. There is a goalie controversy, because the media and fans have made it so. It’s impossible to ignore, but the best way to address it is to look at how Gillis/AV play Schneider. They play him according to the stats. This is a statistics-driven team. Schneider plays in Boston or Minnesota, this year, for example. Those are cities is where Luongo has played poorly. I’m sure there are other more sophisticated reasons for playing Schneider this year. Now, despite the fact that one apparently does not play the backup in an elimination game without placing the starting goalie on the trading block…it is again a numbers thing. What are the odds the Canucks can win a 3-0 deficit? I believe, but I also have a brain that tempers my blue and green blood. If you play Schneids, and he plays awesome, and takes us to 3-2 or even to the brink, guess how much more valuable he will be in the offseason? The trade talk should not even begin unless we happen to win this series. Then you can talk about trading Lu, because Schneider is playing every game until we win the series, bow out, or god forbid he has a bad game. This is my intuition and I could be wrong, for all I know they are shopping Lu as we speak, but if you look at it by the numbers, this decision tonight just increases Schneider’s trade value. I could even see them starting Lu at home next game. Imagine the fallout from that!

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  26. hockeyispretty
    April 18, 2012

    Once when we lost a game with Schneider in net, and people were saying the usual Schneider loss things (didn’t lose by much, team didn’t play well in front of him, not enough scoring, etc.), I pointed out that if that were Luongo, people would be saying different things (the team didn’t score much or play well defensively, but we needed him to steal us a win and he didn’t; if the team plays better in front of Schneider during his last win than in front of Luongo during this loss, maybe that just means Schneider should be #1, etc.)

    The guy I was talking to said, “I guess you don’t like Schneider much, then?” No, I think he’s brilliant and love watching him, and same for Lu, and I’d already said so. But when you object to the different reactions to similar performances by them, people take it as disapproval of Schneider himself.

    The angry replies in this post comforted me, as at least I know it’s not just me. Everyone’s crazy but me and PITB.

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  27. Brent
    April 18, 2012

    This is the weirdest PITB EVER. Like no jokes?!? No links!?! Well OK 1 link but that doesn’t really count because it isn’t funny. Didn’t have time to read all the comments, but it seems a little more intense than usual.

    Well good news is, WE WON THE GAME! AWESOME! I was seriously worried during the first period. It was like everyone said, Daniels back, he will do something, lets just watch. Ya watch the Kings get lots of scoring chances! But then we turned it around and surprize, surprize had another good second period. What’s up with that? Some Sedine magicry on that last power play goal! The universe is back in alignment.

    I look forward to tomorrows IWTG!

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    • Brent
      April 18, 2012

      oh and I figured out who is the scapegoat for the first three game. Guess it wasn’t Edler, it was me. I wore my Sedin jersey for all three games and we lost. Tonight I didn’t wear it and we won. Sorry about that.

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  28. gumby
    April 18, 2012

    Nice game. Nice to see a team I recognize on the ice.

    It will be a shame to see Corey go. He’s always welcome at my place if he needs a place to crash for an away game.

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  29. Andre Boudrias' jock
    April 19, 2012

    WOW.
    I cannot believe how fast all this got legs. I’m with Daniel 100% on this. I just think that no matter what; the Luongo pile-on is just never going to stop. It’s like a bad marriage: thanks for the good times, who gets the dishes? So, inevitably this is just moving or moved long ago, by way of press and fans into “icky”. We have two great goaltenders NOW though. The playoffs for Canucks are not over yet. Yet. Jeez Louise, why does this stuff have to whip up into a twister? We don’t know why AV started Schneider tonight, or what the reasoning was. I dunno: I just wonder if ANY professional hockey player will ever want to come to this city and deal with this. Weird thought: it was a different time, but, maybe that’s what Pavel Bure was going through in totally different ways. He was of course never loathed by many as Luongo is. That’s not what I mean. AND, we don’t really know why Bure left. But he for sure got tired of the attention and clamour. I think Vancouver hockey fans need to chill the hell out. Getting freaky.

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    • Brent
      April 19, 2012

      I hear you. So a really big win in Canucks history last night and what is the WHOLE front page of the sun about? How we are trading Luongo. WHat? Somebody whack that Iain in the side of the head!

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  30. Andre Boudrias' jock
    April 19, 2012

    WOW
    The weiners really showed up on PITB today. What a shame – it’s usually a weiner-free-zone.
    BTW: Luongo could actually start the next game. Why? Because the Canucks have TWO goaltenders who can play – really well.
    Man, I recall years of thinking Felix Potvin was really good. Perspective…

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  31. Philb
    April 19, 2012

    I think the reason they had to stick with Schneider in game 4 wasn’t because he had played better than Luongo, but because of the message you send if you go back to Luongo. They switched to Schneider because they needed to give the team a collective head shake and say game 3 would be different than games one and two; and they were able to do this because they have as much confidence in Schneider as they do in Lu. Sure enough, game 3 was the team’s best effort by a significant margin. If they keep Schneider for game 4, it reinforces what happened in game 3. The underlying message is “that was a good idea – bad luck we lost but if we keep playing like that we will win 9 times out of 10.” If the went back to Luongo in game 4, the underlying message is “well that didn’t work. Back to square 1 i guess.” I think that, even if the players are confident in Luongo, by switching back to him for game 4 they would have been emphasizing the negatives of game 3 (they lost) instead of the positives (they way outplayed the kings and deserved to win).

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  32. Greg
    April 19, 2012

    Thank you for this excellent post. Truer words were never spoken.

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  33. shocked
    April 19, 2012

    Wow. A canucks fan that isn’t a complete and total moron regarding their goalie situation. I am amazed. I applaud you.

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  34. uhc
    April 19, 2012

    Can’t bear to follow the Canucks anymore. Faithfully loved them through the tough years, but all the negativity of the media and fans (ours and others) totally turns me off. It’s like Vancouver fans think we’re entitled to the best team on the planet, and other fans think we’re evil. A lot of nasty armchair GMs. What happened to cheering for the home team?

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  35. BBoone
    April 19, 2012

    I agree. The columnists who constantly try to create controversy of this type should move to London and cover the Royals. Even a moron in a hurry can figure out the possible off season consequences. I blame the editors of both papers who think it is necessary . It is not, and is utterly disrespectful of both goalies, the Canucks and their fans.

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  36. Tamara B
    April 19, 2012

    I love the comments here clearly define what Daniel wrote about. If you like Luo you can’t like Schneids *as much* because then you’re somehow feeding into the Luo Sucks mentality, yet if you defend Luo even having said you LOVE Schneids, somehow you’re a misguided homer?

    LOL!

    Way to go Daniel — I completely understand.

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