On Dustin Brown’s hit, and the Canucks’ much-maligned ‘response’

Apart from the ¬†scoreboard reading 1-0 when the final horn sounded, there wasn’t a single image in the Canucks and Kings Game 3 tilt quite as scary as a stunned Henrik Sedin weakly knocking at the bench door after being rocked by Dustin Brown.

It was a clean hit. Still, it was a huge hit that, as far as anyone knew at the time, had knocked Henrik out of the game and potentially the series. And thus, it necessitated a “response.”

Ah, the rhetoric of the response. It seems to me that when hockey fans call for a response, they’re hoping that the offending party will be beaten within an inch of his life but that he’ll magically pop back up with little more than a lesson learned, uninjured and effectively deterred.

From what I gather, public sentiment is that the response the Canucks mounted wasn’t appropriate. This leads me to wonder what, exactly, Canuck fans wanted instead.

Let’s look at the hit and its immediate aftermath.

Just after Brown makes the hit, the Canucks stave off a chance for the Kings. Then, once the puck is on its way out of the zone, Kevin Bieksa makes a beeline for Brown. He grabs the Kings’ forward with an eye towards engaging him.

But Brown goes completely limp (we’ll call it reverse turtling, since he intentionally makes himself more vulnerable) and lets Bieksa take him to the ice. Clearly, his only interest is in drawing a penalty.

This is wisdom on Brown’s part. The officials saw the hit as clean, which means Brown has done nothing wrong, and as long as he continues to remain an innocent, Bieksa will go to the box alone. That’s what happened, too.

Meanwhile, Alex Burrows emerges from the scrum with Anze Kopitar, who participates in the first fight of his NHL career.

First of all, if this situation is reversed, Bieksa is cursed not just for turtling, but for forcing a skill player — effectively Henrik Sedin in this analogy — to stand up for him. And the Canucks are torn to shreds for their lack of toughness when their first line centre has to fight because their tough guy bailed.

Instead, the Canucks were torn to shreds anyway for Bieksa giving Brown a facewash and nothing more. In the intermission, for example, P.J. stock called them out for having no response. Many agreed.

No doubt it’s frustrating. If Bieksa’s going to take a minor penalty for attempting to make Brown pay for the hit, you want it to be for something more than a sweaty glove smear. But if you stop and think about it for a second, Bieksa’s response was pretty much all he could do without Brown’s consent.

What were the other options? Sucker punches? With Brown making himself helpless, should Bieksa have just tooled on him until the officials broke it up?

That’s what Matt Carkner did to Brian Boyle in Game 2 of the Senators/Rangers series. He was suspended for Game 3. Can the Canucks afford to have Bieksa suspended? No, especially with Alex Edler regularly mistaking the puck for a tiddly wink.

But maybe it wouldn’t have been that bad for Bieksa. Maybe he would have just taken the same minor penalty he got anyway. Or maybe he would have been thrown out of the game or been handed a major penalty for roughing. With NHL officials, it’s a coin toss. But what an imbecilic risk it would have been to just wail away. What if Brown had been seriously injured in the course of Bieksa’s revenge? We’ve seen that before.

Nowadays, people act like Todd Bertuzzi meant to break Steve Moore’s neck. He didn’t. He meant to respond to a hit on the captain. It just went sour, a distinct possibility any time you stupidly continue to throw down on a guy who has no interest in stopping you. And yet Canuck fans are upset that Bieksa chose to exercise restraint.

Instead, Bieksa smartly waited until he had Dustin Brown coming down his wing and he took him out with a clean hipcheck, arguably the first well-executed hipcheck Bieksa’s ever thrown. And then, the moment Brown got up and went to the front of the net, Dan Hamhuis crosschecked him and sent him back to the ice.

But this wasn’t enough for some people who, as best as I can gather, learned nothing from the Todd Bertuzzi incident and still think punching an unwilling combatant in the head is preferable.

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56 comments

  1. SteveB
    April 17, 2012

    As to Todd Bertuzzi’s sucker-punch on Steve Moore: I never want to see anything like that happen ever again.
    I’m glad that Kevin Bieksa didn’t follow that path.

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    • sarah
      April 17, 2012

      I still remember the feelings of sheer horror watching that hit.

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      • Kenji
        April 17, 2012

        Yes, but if Henrik Sedin had taken that path, then it would be awesome.

        I can see it now… Henrik getting up from the ice…wavering… then tottering to the Kings bench where he suddenly lunges forward, grabs Dustin Brown and, skating backwards, holds up over his head with one hand. Then he sets Brown on his feet and instantly stabs his fingers through his jersey, pads, and breastplate, pulling out his gore-drenched hand with the King’s still-beating heart pulsing in it.

        “Ka li mar! Ka li mar!” Henrik would say gloatingly, his voice oddly shrill in the arena, now silent with fear.

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    • RG
      April 17, 2012

      Perhaps a little Marty McSorley axe-chop then?

      Sorry. PITB brought out the LA Kings hatred pretty good. They’re just SO BAD.

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      • Harrison Mooney
        April 17, 2012

        Bad, bad, bad.

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  2. Peter
    April 17, 2012

    Hear hear!

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  3. Andre
    April 17, 2012

    To live and die in LA.

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  4. Brandon
    April 17, 2012

    I like PJ completely ignored Bieksa’s big hit on brown, almost as good as his statement that winning the opening faceoff is crucial

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  5. peanutflower
    April 17, 2012

    I hate PJ Stock. He has more teeth than a human should have. The only thing he could do when he played was fight. Badly. So that’s what he promotes. Thanks, PJ, once again for painting the Canucks as soft. No Christmas card for you this year.

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    • PeeSeeGee
      April 17, 2012

      To be fair, I think PJ Stock later went on to talk about what it takes to win in the playoffs. I think he has played a total of 6 playoff games.

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      • PeeSeeGee
        April 17, 2012

        I was wrong, he has 8.

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  6. Benner
    April 17, 2012

    I keep hearing about the hit on Hendrik being a legal hit. I agree it wasn’t late and wasn’t high, but what about a player in a vulnerable position? In this case Hendrik had no clue he was about to get run over, concentrating on the other player in front of him and about to hit him.

    Reminds me of Raymond getting his back broken last year. Was that high, no… late, a bit, but the important piece was the that Raymond was vulnerable. A true professional athlete would be respectful of his combatant, and would therefore adjust accordingly when the risk of injuries increase.

    The current NHL player is not up to be a professional by that definition, and that is why we’re seeing a week of chaos around the league.

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    • Brent
      April 17, 2012

      Actually it was somewhat “similar” to the Torres hit on seabrook. Can’t remember if he left his feet (charging) or not. But it was a “legal” hit that was dirty because it was a vulnerable player.

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      • Tristan
        April 18, 2012

        Since when did a player being “vulnerable” make it a dirty hit? The NHL rulebook outlaws hits that target the head on an unsuspecting player, but there’s nothing illegal about delivering a clean hit to an unsuspecting player. In fact, anyone who’s played this game at the elite level knows that players laud the ability to catch someone with their head down in the neutral zone. It’s called getting lit up, and it’s a part of hockey. Kudos to Brown for not leading with an elbow, not leaving his feet, and not driving his shoulder through Hank’s face, like so many of the other poor hitters in this league are prone to doing.

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    • Andrew
      April 17, 2012

      “Vulnerable” is not illegal. if Kesler had rocked Kopitar like that, we’d still be cheering. There was not much Henrik could do there, but that doesn’t make the hit illegal.

      The best response would have been scoring a goal. ;(

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  7. Brent
    April 17, 2012

    Agree with everything you say. No matter what we do, it is wrong. Either we do nothing and are called spineless wimps of we do something and we are goons.

    It was a good hip check.

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    • Gabrielle
      April 17, 2012

      It wasn’t a hip check btw.

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      • Brent
        April 17, 2012

        Bieksa’s hip check.

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  8. bearspaw
    April 17, 2012

    Looked to me like they did respond the only what they could. Might not have maimed somebody but they DID respond. My concern is the crowd cheering on a possible severe injury to a head. What’s with arenas full of so called “hockey fans” cheering about hockey players laying hurt on the ice? Cheering on hockey hits, ok…cheering louder when you see some one got injured, not ok.

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    • peanutflower
      April 17, 2012

      They’re Americans. What do you expect? Seriously. It’s the same in every rink. I’m probably going to get rapped for that, and sorry, Obituary Mambo and others, but you know what I mean. It was horrible in Boston, it’s a blood bath in Pennsylvania, and it’s crap in LA. Like I said before, I’d rather the Canucks not win a Cup if they have to resort to playing like that. Henrik scrabbling on the door will stick in my mind forever.

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      • Chicky
        April 17, 2012

        I will never ever forget those jackholes who were chanting that May Ray was faking it when his back was broken. Those are the WORST “fans” in my mind.

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        • Abby
          April 17, 2012

          That was awful.

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      • obituary mambo
        April 20, 2012

        Just getting around to reading this. And not to worry; I don’t take offense to your comment (even though, in addition to being American, I’m Californian ~__^) The “Flopper! Flopper!” chant in the SCF is one of the most disgusting instances of crowd behaviour I’ve witnessed. Still, I’m not convinced that sort of gladiator spectator-esque crowd response is a strictly American phenomenon. I might be wrong; as far as the NHL is concerned, American cities certainly do seem to be the worst transgressors. On the bright side, at least we don’t have hooligans — not even at outdoor sporting events, which is saying *something*, however minuscule.

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        • obituary mambo
          April 20, 2012

          Forgot to add: I would also prefer the team not resort to thuggery and goon tactics. I don’t watch hockey to see a blood bath and am at a constant loss as to why some fans seem to think that sort of play is more important/respectable than beating your opponent with skill.

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    • mac n cheese
      April 18, 2012

      seriously, who downvotes this comment?? ^

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  9. Jon Coutts
    April 17, 2012

    Great points as always. Let’s also not forget that later in the game Bieksa landed a great clean hip check on Brown (not to mention Hamhuis’s great hit on Penner). To my mind THIS is exactly the kind of “response” that the NHL should promote, and which fans should be looking for. How hard would it be for the the highlight packages to skip ahead to the great Bieksa hit rather than perpetuate the myth of the value of the scrum by spending half the highlight reel on it?

    Of course, if you pay attention to the usual Cherry-esque calls for a response in the form of fisticuffs and goonery then apparently I’m not a hockey fan and should just go watch tennis. But I say let Cherry go watch UFC.

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    • Benner
      April 17, 2012

      Good point… back in the day Gordie Howe kept a book with a +/- tally so that everyone got it back… but it didn’t require an immediate lynching.

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  10. J21
    April 17, 2012

    I love how Mike Babcock used — of all people — Todd Bertuzzi to implement an act of revenge against Shea Weber. But Babcock is worshiped, so no problem there. It’s like no one has learned anything.

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    • peanutflower
      April 17, 2012

      Well, presumably Bertuzzi did, right?

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    • SF
      April 17, 2012

      Babcock didn’t send Bert out there for revenge, Bert took it into his own hands. Babcock even said prior to the game that the Wings don’t have anyone on their team for the sole purpose of getting a player back for cheap shotting their players.
      Bert only fought Weber at that point ’cause Franzen was called for a penalty, so Bert fighting Weber would mean no Weber on the Predators power play.

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    • RG
      April 17, 2012

      Bertuzzi didn’t punch him in the back of the head. There’s a difference. Weber answered the call. It’s not perfect, since a suspension would’ve eased Detroit’s pain, but to still paint Bertuzzi with the Steve Moore incident is a tad stale.

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  11. akidd
    April 17, 2012

    personally, i’d rather watch hockey but the way it’s going these day in the nhl the ‘winning’ response would have been to send out weise or kassian to do a ‘carkner’ on brown. he’d get a one game suspension but i’m sure the canucks could cover the 2-6 minutes of extra ice time.

    only problem was that it was a 0-0 game in a 2-0 series at the time.

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    • Jaret39
      April 17, 2012

      An uppercut to the area under the shoulder pads an inch side-up from the belly button, done with enough force, would one punch kneel a guy without concussing or breaking his neck. According to Shanny’s rulebook, it shouldn’t be suspended since Carkner only got 1 for repeated head blows. I grew up in the slum parts of Chicago and that was how all us street kids fought. This is best suited for the big boyz, since the lil guys can’t hit their face unless they grab a hold of his shirt, and if the guy grabs on to you, then it’s fair game. It takes the wind out, and maybe your previous meal, but you can be sure it’s gonna hurt and bruise up for the next few days.

      Carkner was smart, he just started boxing Boyle and didn’t hold onto him. That way, there is no way for the Bertuzzi thing to occur. Only professional boxers have the strength to crack a guy’s skull from pure punching and that is rare.

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  12. Cathylu
    April 17, 2012

    I love the photo you used for your header. I have it posted on my window at work along with the famous derp photo of Dustin Brown trying to drink out of the wrong end of his water bottle that is captioned “I can count to potato!”. My new nickname for Brown is Potato and I titled the photo above as “I call it…..mashed potato”.

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    • bc
      April 17, 2012

      “I can count to potato!” Oh my….that made me laugh out loud in yet another agonizing day of waiting for the next game….

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  13. Joel Willoughby
    April 17, 2012

    Great article Harrison!

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  14. Zukuss
    April 17, 2012

    This brings back bad memories of the reaction to Daniel’s non-response to Marchand repeatedly punching him in the face. What the hell was Daniel going to do, punch back? That would, at best have put both Marchand and Daniel in the box. Not a good trade. Daniel knew it, too, which is why he chose to just take it. This, of course made Daniel “weak” and “soft.”

    Honestly, I’m glad you’re fighting the good fight here, but I don’t think that it will do much good. This blog is one of the remaining bastions of sanity when it comes to the Canucks, and even your comments section has been infiltrated by the CDC rage committe (see your recent Vigneault article).

    Sorry for the rant. Thanks for the article!

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    • Brendan
      April 17, 2012

      How about Daniel covering his face? Maybe he could do that at least

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      • peanutflower
        April 17, 2012

        that would have looked even worse. And Daniel was trying to make a point after all, so he had to take it. I’m sure the Sedins are counting down the days until they can get the hell off this continent.

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    • hockeyispretty
      April 17, 2012

      Well, it does some good, I would say. It’s good to hear one little lone voice of sanity in among all the cavemen’s barbaric yawps.

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  15. Gabrielle
    April 17, 2012

    That was not a clean hit. I’m sorry, but Brown hit Henrik in the chin (which is part of the head). Brown knew exactly who he was heading for the whole time, and he hit Henrik in the head.

    That being said, I agree with that fact that it’s annoying when people are like, “The Canucks’ response was terrible,” and stuff like that. What exactly do they want? A fight?

    I thought the response was perfectly adequate.

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  16. KB
    April 17, 2012

    The Sedin twins gets targeted for violence because they don’t respond. The proper response is to hurt the opponent who hurts your player, as Arron Asham did with Brayden Schenn in the Pittsbugh-Philadelphia series. And you need to have some players in your lineup who are willing to do this. Other teams don’t worry about taking the so-called “high road.” I am sure that if Daniel Sedin returns to play in Game 4, the Kings will go after his head, and that the Canucks will agin do nothing in response.

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    • Harrison Mooney
      April 17, 2012

      In summary, the Canucks don’t head hunt enough.

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      • KB
        April 17, 2012

        No. You missed the point. The Canucks do not respond to head-hunting by their opponents. Ottawa responded to the Rangers’ attack on Daniel Alfredsson. Detroit responded to Shane Weber’s attack on Henrik Zetterberg. And Washington has been responding to Boston’s attacks on Nicklas Backstrom. If you don’t respond, you can’t win in the playoffs.

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        • BrandonC
          April 17, 2012

          Your argument is pointless. Just as many teams that “respond” to headhunting with headhunting are losing their series as there are winning.

          Pittsburgh “responded” and is losing 3-0

          Ottawa “responded” (and is your example) and their losing 2-1

          Washington “responded” and their down 2-1.

          It’s like the “blocking shots” fallacy. Good teams and bad teams both block shots. There’s no correlation between “blocking more shots” and “winning”, just like there’s no correlation between “responding to headhunting” and “winning”.

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          • KB
            April 17, 2012

            As you point out, it looks like it’s advantageous to be the team doing the head-hunting. However, it’s also better to respond and lose than to not respond at all.

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            • peanutflower
              April 17, 2012

              it’s no win either way.

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          • jimjam22
            April 18, 2012

            That’s it exactly. Everybody is so busy “responding” that no one is playing hockey. It was crap in the 70′s and its crap now. The barbarians are running the show and the Canucks are offside because they have mistakenly built their post-lockout team around skill, apparently a bad move.

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    • obituary mambo
      April 20, 2012

      No offense, but you sound barbaric. If that’s the type of game you want, you’re following the wrong team.

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  17. TIM DOUBROFF
    April 17, 2012

    2 points everyone has overlooked: 1. Brown’s hit/contact on Henrik may be deemed legal but it was charging by rule definition. 2. The linesmen and ref’s actually prevented the Canucks from responding right after the hit. Watch the replay. 3. Brown knows he got away with the entire situation. Look at his face as he leans against the boards, especially if you are a parent. You’ll recognize the look of guilt. 4. Vancouver was totally in the game still so to “respond” and risk further penalties including ejections would have been foolish. 5. Henrik’s come-back shift proved he is made of steel and is not a woose as that twit’s T-shirt behind the Canucks bench suggested. 6. 2 points?? Counting was never my forte.

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    • Nikson
      April 18, 2012

      Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the and I mean THE voice of reason. For a Yankee’s fan I applaud your rational, thoughtful underlining of the FACTS!

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  18. Snepsts
    April 18, 2012

    I’m sure it has been said, but the CBC plays to the lowest common denominator. They think more Canucks haters will tune in than Canucks fans. They will do what they need to do to increase that imaginary demographic, Either that, or they are dumb enough to believe what they say. One way or the other, they are not worthy of consideration. Brown’s hit was disrespectful, even if clean. The Canucks responded well and nobly. Period. This has been a relatively tame series and hopefully it stays that way, Game five coming up, let’s win one for Henrik, the immortal, who took the hit, pronounced it clean (despite dying and coming back to life), and played his guts out. He deserves at least one win.

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  19. shoes
    April 18, 2012

    Blah, blah, blah……I really hate Canucks fans that constantly take the high road so as not to sound like homers. Browns hit on Sedin could have been called either way and if he would have recieved 5 minutes, a game with a review nobody would have commented except to applaud the 1 game suspension. The problem is we have been sucked in by the media AND the NHL to be satisfied with dissecting a dirty hit based on the difference of .0001 of a second or whether the “hit to the head was the principle point, after 30 slo-mo reviews”

    Well give it up and get a proper definition. Browns hit was late in the sense that Henrik was rid of the puck, Brown came from a long way away and did not let up when he noticed or should have noticed vulnerable position. So shut up about “good clean hit” unless you want someone like Torres to read your article and do the same thing to another star the following night. . Sorry I just to not buy the “splitting of hairs and milli-seconds” to determine if a hit is dirty or not. If Horton got suspended for his hit last year, then Keith needed more than 5 mean-nothing games, Brown needed 5 and a game, and Torres needs the same as Horton. I am tired of the “pick and choose crowd” You want the stars to all be finished,………..then enjoy yourselves and stop whining in “pick and choose” situations..

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    • peanutflower
      April 18, 2012

      I agree with this millisecond stuff. If a hit is so close that it has to be reviewed in terms of digital frames per second it’s a bad hit, because the refs sure can’t see digital frames per second. If a hit appears marginal it should be bad. Keith should have way more games, Brown should have received a suspension. Raffi, Raffi, Raffi, where do I even begin with you?

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  20. Mushmouth
    April 18, 2012

    After the start of this playoffs i think im done with NhL hockey. As bad as the violence has become, the complete lack of backbone by the hockey media and NHL management and their pathetic attempts to justify and “explain” which hits are OK and which are no-nos are what really turn my stomach. As long as the NHL wants to be like UFC, the media lick Bettman’s a-hole and the league is policed by ex players who apparently have zero idea what justice is or how to protect players I’d rather do yard work.

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  21. John
    April 18, 2012

    What bothers me more is not how some Canucks handles the after hit, but how we view the hits. Yes it would appear that the hit was fair. But the distance that Brown skated was not. Clearly he had malice of thought as he skated up ice, waited for his monent to inflict damge.

    I love to watch free wheeling hocket, let the skilled players play. At the rate we are going there will be no skilled players left by 2016, and by then we will be watchings gladiator hockey. Perhaps Russell Crowe could hone up on his skating, ya thats what I really want to watch. My how far we have come from the lockout. Way to go Gary B. Way to go.

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