We don’t normally report on Christian youth conferences here on PITB, but that’s because this is a Canucks blog and these conferences typically don’t generate Canucks-related stories. However, on Friday one did, as The Passion Movement, a Christian organization aimed at “uniting students in worship and prayer,” visited Rogers Arena. During the service, Pastor Louie Giglio held up a blue Canucks helmet and led over 10,000 people in a prayer for the healing of Daniel Sedin’s recently-confirmed concussion.
Now, if you find this video a bit strange, you’re not alone. Over at Puck Daddy, Sean Leahy said what a lot of people must have thought upon viewing the clip: “What better way to get your fans in the city you’re touring even more behind you than holding a mass prayer for the quick recovery of one of their hockey stars?” Meanwhile, some of the commenters said the same thing, albeit much more ignorantly: “Nothing like bible thumpers playing their same ol’ tune, and trying to hitch their wagon to a fan favorite to legitimize themselves…….pathetic,” said one.
But Giglio wasn’t pandering to the home crowd; he was making good on a prayer request from Paolo Aquilini, one of the three brothers that make up the Aquilini ownership group, which controls both the Vancouver Canucks and Rogers Arena.
Keep in mind that Giglio isn’t just praying over some random blue Reebok helmet; the one in his hand actually is one of Daniel Sedin’s. Considering you can’t just walk into the Canucks’ dressing room and bless the equipment, it stands to reason that someone must have let Giglio in there. That someone was Aquilini, a born-again Christian who invited the Passion Vancouver team to hold the event at Rogers Arena.
Aquilini discussed his faith two years ago in an interview with Canadian Christianity:
I grew in a Catholic church. But for me, I never experienced a true relationship with Jesus. For me, Jesus was just a figure; we didn’t have a relationship. I just went to church once a week, and that’s what I did; that’s part of the way I grew up.
But then I opened the Bible – and basically, I had a conversion on the spot, as I was reading. I just picked up the Bible, and as I was reading, it said:“Behold, the kingdom of God is at hand.” And I just remember saying, “Jesus is God, Jesus is God” – and my whole life changed at that point. It was a profound experience.
Earlier in the day, Giglio, who resides just outside of Atlanta, joked that his city had already given Canada two hockey teams, but he wanted to give something to Vancouver and the Aquilinis specifically, in return for their hospitality and friendship. He asked if there was anything be could pray for in respect to the Canucks’ owners, and with Daniel Sedin having just flown home to Vancouver with brain trauma, it was an easy answer.
(For the record, while it sounds like Daniel wasn’t informed they’d be doing this, it’s not like there isn’t support inside the Canucks’ room. David Booth tweeted his appreciation for the event, and Dan Hamhuis would likely have been in attendance if the team wasn’t in Colorado for a game.)
Regardless of what you believe, the prayer request should speak to just how concerned the Canucks are about Daniel’s health right now. We aren’t at the stage where it will take a miracle for the Canucks’ winger to get better, but we have reached the stage where it sure couldn’t hurt.
One final note: Keith Ballard may have caught some residual miracle, as the concussed defenceman began skating again Monday afternoon.
s/t to Sean Leahy at Puck Daddy.
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Chris B
March 26, 2012I like the use of “brain trauma” for concussion – I saw someone (Dave Feschuk maybe?) suggest that instead of concussions, we start calling them brain injuries to try and impress upon ourselves the seriousness.
Daniel Sedin, out indefinitely with brain injury
Daniel Sedin, out indefinitely with concussion
Zach Morris
March 26, 2012One of the more generally accepted medical terms is mild Traumatic Brain Injury (mTBI), which I think most people would see “mild” in the name and go, “Oh, that’s OK then.”
Phileo99
March 26, 2012mild Traumatic …. bit of an oxymoron, no?
shoes
March 27, 2012This is a bona fide brilliant idea in this internet era, where catch phrases win the day. In no other sport or in any part of ‘real life’ would you be almost allowed to deliberately give another human being a brain injury and not get punished fiercely. And make no mistake Duncan Keith is probably sorry for his actions. BUT we are still hearing from media in Boston and Chicago that Sedins injury is being exaggerated. That of course won’t change but Canucks fans and hockey fans by and large would feel better if Keith was given a year off the sport that he plays so well. Losing 8 million dollars would ensure that this NEVER happens again. Not once, not deliberately. Unfortunately……..previous brain injuries such as the ones that Colin, Gary and Shanny obviously suffered are preventing them from thinking clearly.
Colin
March 28, 2012@shoes, I mostly agree with you, except that there are ‘sports’ where the *primary* goal is to cause brain injury…MMA among the most ridiculous.
Lenny
March 27, 2012Keith Ballard’s brain must be traumatized now. Did even 10 people pray for him?
Canucksgold
March 26, 2012I’m not Christian or follow any particular faith, but it’s been researched and studied that healing prayer does work. Let’s hope it does work in this case.
I put Manny Malhotra’s name on a Buddhist community meditation list last year. Not saying it was just my positive thoughts, because I’m sure he also had the prayers of many Canucks fans.
He had a good chuckle when I got a chance to tell him in person last June.
TheOldFirm
March 26, 2012Healing prayer doesn’t work according to any scientific study that I’ve ever seen. If you’ve found otherwise, please share with the class.
Karen
March 26, 2012Are you searching only regarding Christian prayer? That could be the problem. This has been documented time and time again – medically proven. Children’s hospital employs techniques with their cancer patients – positive thought sessions. It’s part of their treatment. Google it for yourself… there will be so many examples that it’s laughable.
To clarify, I’m not Christian, and I find the video kind of creepy. I do, however, think it’s awesome that so many people joined together to focus positive thoughts for another human being who’s having a hard time in his life.
TheOldFirm
March 26, 2012At the risk of appearing even more dickish and annoying, I’ll weigh in again on this. Sometimes my argumentative side gets the better of me.
Positive thought therapy and faith/prayer healing are separate things, but not unrelated. There’s a reason why there are cases of parents refusing medical care for their sick children on religious grounds that haven’t held up in courts. Prayer/faith does bugger all in and of itself to actually heal anyone.
Positive thought therapy (which can include prayer) does help to speed recovery, alleviate pain, etc. Think Patch Adams. However, the key point here is that these people are directly exposed to the therapy, and that they are already receiving medial treatment. The positive thought therapy is just one element of the overall treatment, not a replacement.
I apologise for perhaps being overly pedantic, but IMO, praying to a magical sky god to heal someone just has too many negative connotations for me. I don’t mean to derail this whole thing into the dark abyss of internet arguments.
Jon
March 26, 2012As a christian (just putting it out there so you know that I am fully biased), my only argument against what you said is that prayer is a means of bringing healing by channeling a dimension other than, or higher than the physical, regardless of the religion (as far as i know. I haven’t studied many religions deeply).
Obviously the spiritual dimension can’t be proven by scientific methods, because it doesn’t follow the same rules that the physical dimension does. But, assuming this realm exists (which to the scientific minded is assuming alot, and understandably so), prayer is the way that religion seeks to channel this ‘higher’ dimension, in order to change the physical.
I guess that was just my argumentative side.. i hope that added to the discussion. For clarity, my views on prayer are much more specific, this was just a generalization.
Karen
March 27, 2012… when did anyone here say that the medical attention he’s receiving should stop? -1 logic.
shoes
March 27, 2012Karen….I am far from any religion, although having spent many years in Japan I grew to admire Buddism, especially the monks selling beer, noodles and t-shirts on top of Fuji San.
But I do agree that positive thinking is a helpful tool and also that positive thinking is probably what prayer is really all about, if broken down to its basic root form.
I have no problem with trying anything to get Danny back in, even if it looks like the start of a head shrinking ceremony.
And on that note, I am going to burn some incense for Danny….and maybe even put away my Keith doll and voodoo pins.
-M-
March 27, 2012Actually, prayer only “works” if the person knows that you’re doing it. And it doesn’t work any better than telling someone in need of recovery “I’ve been thinking about you, and I hope you get well.” Humans have evolved mechanisms to promote healing when prompted in the context of social structure.
Also for serious injury or surgeries, like heart surgery, prayer actually has a negative effect when you tell the person that you’re praying for them.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/04/060403133554.htm
Mike
March 29, 2012Actually, that’s not entirely true. A friend of mine recovered from his sickness after we prayed for him. He was in the hospital, we were at church. He didn’t know about it until a few days later, when he recovered all of a sudden.
WorldTravels
March 26, 2012All I can say is Aquillini better got Daniels permission to use his helmet in this religious ceremony. Hockey players are obsessive about their equipment, sticks etc.
And he better have got permission from each player on the Canucks team to let some religious guy do a ceremony in their dressing room.
If he didn’t get permission, he should fire himself. As if this team isn’t under enough stress and pressure with the loss of Daniel, they don’t need some religious issue to further complicate things.
JS Topher
March 26, 2012Good point!
Let’s just all hope and pray that he might just know a thing or two more about Daniel ad the rest of the team than you do.
Abby
March 26, 2012Thanks guys for providing a non-inflammatory review of this. Seems like a lot of other reports aren’t giving the whole story, and that’s something I respect seeing at PITB so frequently. Thanks for handling a potentially hot-potato topic with tact.
Zukuss
March 26, 2012Apparently Aquilini hates Ballard.
Also, the whole ceremony seemed a little creepy to me. Maybe it’s just the way the helmet was being held, like it was a tribute to Kali, and Giglio was Mola Ram.
Harrison Mooney
March 26, 2012Ha. For what it’s worth, I grew up in the Christian community and worked at a Christian bookstore for over a year. There are a lot of creepy, out-there, indefensible Christian organizations, but Passion’s not one of them. I’ve always liked these guys a lot, especially since they run their stuff as not-for-profit and give most of the proceeds away to humanitarian causes.
Zukuss
March 26, 2012Fair enough. I still half-expected the helmet to burst into flame at some point.
I grew up Christian as well, and have never been comfortable with big, public prayers. Especially for celebrities.
Harrison Mooney
March 26, 2012Worse, they could have invoked the dark Lord by offering Daniel’s soul, Jay & Silent Bob-style.
Zukuss
March 26, 2012You just had to out-reference me, didn’t you?
Harrison Mooney
March 26, 2012Yes.
Hips
March 26, 2012My thoughts exactly. I have no problem with religion, or even having it “forced down my throat” per se, but public prayer and worship have always sort of creeped me out.
tj
March 26, 2012It’s very complicated, I agree. I think Canadians are very private about their beliefs, in general, and so it can be unsettling to see mass public prayer.
I have been to numerous places of worship (out of interest and out of respect for those I’m with), and have attended a rousing Glide sermon in San Francisco. It’s difficult not to be moved by a room full of amazing gospel singers. I’m not religious, but old gospel, and liberal Methodists, sure make some amazing music.
TheOldFirm
March 26, 2012I get it, the reasoning, and the concern behind it. I’m there, too. Like every other Canucks fan, I’m hoping for a quick, and full recovery for Daniel.
But this sort of thing just creeps me out. Reminds me too much of the documentary Jesus Camp.
Harrison Mooney
March 26, 2012Way, way, way different. That doc was some radical lunacy. The Passion movement is much more level-headed. Like any religion (or even hockey fandom) there are the reasonable people and the kooks.
TheOldFirm
March 26, 2012No, that’s a fair point. Still, the dude holding Daniel’s helmet made the whole thing seem weirdly disembodied. I won’t gainsay anyone for wishing another person well though.
shoes
March 27, 2012Uh, excuse me…..I don’t think there is any kooks in hockey fandom! now where is that winky face?
TubaNat
March 26, 2012Nice write-up – I’m always impressed with you guys, even on potential hot potatoes you are solid all the way! And I think we can all agree this is one prayer we’d like to see answered!
sarah
March 26, 2012Why is Booth referred to as a Born Again Christian? Is this something that he calls himself? I would just assume that a guy from a family where 4 out of 4 kids have Biblical names would have been raised in the church.
I’m not asking this to be a jerk. I’m genuinely curious.
D
March 26, 2012It doesn’t. It says Paolo Aquilini is.
sarah
March 26, 2012Maybe I’m mistaken, but I thought the earlier form of this post referred to Booth as an “outspoken, born again Christian,”
Harrison Mooney
March 26, 2012Yeah, I made an edit and that sentence was lost. But they both are. Born Again is just a term that describes this modern form of Protestant North American Christianity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_again_(Christianity)
Joy
March 26, 2012What Harrison said.
Personally, I don’t see a problem with this. Passion is definitely not “one of those” Christian groups (and as a Christian myself, I definitely cringe at “Jesus Camp” type groups). Their concern and prayer was genuine and the intent was pure.
As for how the Canucks locker room, there was an article written late November last year in The Province about Booth’s faith and how it’s a vital part of his career. Also talked about Hammer, and even a few words from Schneider and Weise about what they thought about them sharing their faith to the rest of the team. The Province link is expired, but I have the article on Tumblr:
http://oneofthoserandoms.tumblr.com/post/13130860592/canucks-booth-sticking-to-christs-game-plan
Innovation
March 26, 2012At worst, saying a prayer for someone does nothing. At best, saying a prayer for someone does something. Might as well try it as no one gets hurt by getting prayed for.
Zukuss
March 26, 2012I disagree. At worst, saying a prayer for someone who doesn’t want to be prayed for (no word on if Daniel requested this through Aquilini, or if Aquilini did this on his own), can be insulting to the person being prayed for. At best, prayer makes the people praying feel better about themselves.
Innovation
March 27, 2012We’re talking physical injury here. The only guy I have heard of being day to day with hurt feelings is Chris Pronger.
Zukuss
March 27, 2012Well, if we’re talking ability to heal physical injury, then the best and worst case scenarios are exactly the same: Nothing happens.
Innovation
March 27, 2012I am not about to get into a ‘God vs. No God’ discussion as it’s a giant loop to which neither side will ever win.
Since you have said that prayer does nothing, why would someone be offended if they were prayed for? As you said, nothing happens, it does nothing. Said prayed for person is not impacted at all. If I switched out ‘prayed for’ and put in ‘took a deep breath’ or ‘walked around’ for most every sentence, would you be offended because I did something I thought could help? If I said “I am breathing and walking around in hopes that it helps you get better” would you insist I stop?
Zukuss
March 27, 2012I don’t think that this is an argument about the existence of a god. It’s more about the usefulness of intercessory prayer. That, too, is incidental to the issue at hand, though. I think that it’s more the fact that it was 14,000 people videotaped praying for him that’s at issue here. It was a big spectacle, calling attention to the Passion movement.
I’ve got no issues with people praying for other people, and (as an atheist, if you couldn’t tell
) when people tell me that they pray for me, I am typically flattered. That said, if it were me in Daniel’s shoes, I would be pretty upset that people are using my injury in such a way.
Innovation
March 27, 2012I think we both could have saved ourselves a lot of typing time if we had laid out what we were both talking about.
I guess what we both want to know is how much of the Passion groups motives were that they really wanted to help and this is how they thought they could do the most good or how much pulling a ‘stunt’ like this gets them a story in a blog as popular as PITB (and it’s millions and millions of readers). I personally hope it was the former rather than the later, but it is easy to see that some, not all, could be the later.
Harrison Mooney
March 27, 2012Trust me, the Passion Movement does not need the minuscule publicity bump we provide.
Zukuss
March 27, 2012Since this thread has apparently hit the reply limit, I’ll have to reply to myself.
I’d imagine that the people at Passion had good intentions, for the most part. I’d also imagine that they saw this as an opportunity that they couldn’t pass up.
I have no idea what was going on in Aquilini’s head, though.
I have no ill will towards people expressing concern for an injured star, but I feel that this spectacle was over the top.
PS – I love to type.
sarah
March 26, 2012Learn something new everyday. I always thought born again was used on an individual level to describe someone who came to faith later in life as opposed to someone who was raised in the church.
Harrison Mooney
March 26, 2012Yeah, it’s an interesting term. Here’s the short Bible story it comes from. Basically, a guy who’s already following the scriptures asks Jesus what he needs to do and Jesus tells him he needs to be born again. The idea is that people who are already familiar with the church and the Bible and whatever need to move it from something that they “know” to something they “believe”. So it gets used to describe modern-day practicing Christians.
/Bible lesson
Nee
March 26, 2012Thanks Harrison. Very interesting subject that, as an atheist, I know zilch about.
Craig
March 26, 2012I appreciated how this was handled, rather than villifying Christians as kooks, which seems to the be the easy go to these days. Even if you don’t agree with someones lifestyle choice or beliefs it can be handled with respect. Anyways it is generating some interesting discussion.
TheWellwoods
March 26, 2012Big whoop. I sacrificed a goat for Daniel the night he got hit. And yes, before you even ask, the goat was a twin.
Andre
March 26, 2012I would hope that this community can embrace people with different views, as they express their concerns and hopes for recovery in the way they know and understand.
Brent
March 28, 2012The Canuck Temple has room for all!
tj
March 26, 2012From the Luongo-looking-freaky screen shot, to the Keslurking bit, to this creepy video, I’m not sure I’m going to get a very restful sleep this evening.
As a non-believer, if my boss were to take my personal belongings and give it to a pastor to hold up for thousands to pray for me, I’d be off-put, and possibly a tad resentful.. I hope Daniel gave his sincerest consent. Totes not down with this otherwise, sorry. It borders on overstepping some serious boundaries. I’m not anti-religion, I anti-presumption.
Harrison Mooney
March 26, 2012Yes, I could see how some might see today as one of the creepiest days in blog history.
peanutflower
March 26, 2012As one of those who likes to keep personal views on religion private I agree, this is a creepy blog day. At least you presented it impartially. Others have not. This prayer session will just add to the litany of crap that people will bring up about the Sedins.
Nee
March 26, 2012You know, personal beliefs aside, this really just underscores how much hockey means to people here. We donate to Canucks charities, pray for the players, blog and tweet about the team on a huge scale. We bleed blue and green.
Arnold Jamtart
March 26, 2012What ever happened to Matthew 6:5?
I agree with the other posters that doing this without Daniel’s knowledge or consent (if that indeed is how it went down) is way, way out of bounds, even if it was done with the best of intentions.
I also disagree with the argument that this isn’t pandering — regardless of whether Paolo Aquilini asked for this or Louie Giglio did it of his own accord. If someone comes to a city with a popular sports team and leads a group prayer for their superstar, they’re absolutely riding the coattails of a valuable commodity for the sake of promoting their organization and its aims. I will grant you that Aquilini, Giglio, and everyone at that rally really do want Daniel to get better so I’m not saying their hearts aren’t in the right place in some respects, but when I watch that video, I’m watching a performance calculated to win the hearts and minds of a large group of people. Just because it isn’t cynical, that doesn’t mean it isn’t tactical.
Timmy Wong
March 26, 2012I am amazed the simpletons from CDC aren’t here already trying to steer this blog post into yet another Christian vs Atheist internet war.
If anyone isn’t sure of what I mean by that, check this out, then proceed to facepalm/headdesk – http://forum.canucks.com/topic/326249-14000-people-praying-for-daniel-sedin-at-passion/
zukuss
March 26, 2012Heh, good to see some of my old pals from the God Thread in there. Man CDC is a wasteland.
Taco
March 26, 2012This brings up a few questions,
If we do win, who takes credit… GOD? I suppose he always takes his share but it’s hard to imagine he prefers the nucs over all the other teams. Doesn’t he know how hated we are? It’s almost like they pulled us out of the crowd and forced us to carry our hockey bags up to Calvary where… oh well never mind.
And what if other teams get similar prayers going? Can you body check some teams pastor? Maybe the nucs should convert their sticks and put little crosses on top (photo shop please). What if the SCF is on a Sunday, no joke, people used to kill each other over that stuff.
Of course the Christian folks are going to have a big told-you-so if we do win the cup (praise the lord). I just might have go to church and give a little thanks back. After I sober up that is.
Blueliner
March 26, 2012I believe that this entire thing may have been blown out of proportion because of overlooking point. People believe that all those people met for a mass public prayer specifically for Daniel. While we do care for him, that was just 3min of a 4 hour concert of worship and praise for Christians. I believe people thought it was CREEPY and WEIRD because thousands of people just happened to meet inside Roger’s Arena to pray for Daniel.
yapperface
March 26, 2012Well Daniel’s never been open about his faith that I know of, so we don’t know where he’d be on this. Personally, I think there is nothing wrong with praying for someone of the faith. Someone who is not of the faith, by contrast, would find it insulting. So without knowing what Daniel believes, we don’t know how he feels about this.
And honestly, that’s how I like it. I love these guys but there’s gotta be a wall somewhere.
Zach Morris
March 26, 2012This might be terrible, but I laughed out oud:
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/17132254.jpg
I think this whole prayer thing is a nice gesture.
Brent
March 28, 2012Ya I saw that one to. Totally awesome.
canucks in europe
March 27, 2012Prayer and sports are not foreign concepts…see any NFL locker room footage. What surprises me the most is that this took place in Canada. I know Passion is American and being this outward about praying for athletes and sports teams is common (Tim Tebow, anyone?) but it is truly remarkable that this took place in Vancouver…also known as one of the least “churched/Christian” cities in North America.
That said, Vancouver is also one of the most “spiritually conscious” cities in Canada so I’m also surprised that this is baffling to Vancouverites. I’ll bet there are other religious/faith/belief groups out there who are supporting the Canucks doing their own rituals for Daniel…I’d dare say there are also some Sedin shaped voodoo dolls also getting stuck with pins outside of BC.
Finally is God a Canucks fan…the last 40 years would seem to indicate otherwise, of course that doesn’t explain the ’90s Devils either…
The real bob
March 27, 2012If this works can somebody tell him to pray for 16 Canuck wins in April/May
Ibitz
March 27, 2012And if the atheists don’t like it, please become a Leaf fan. Atheists can be sooooooooo arrogant.
tj
March 27, 2012Hmm. Unlike this very comment? How do you know Daniel or someone else on the team is not an atheist? Presumption=arrogance.
J
March 27, 2012Pretty much, he completely left out praying for the team (he asked blessings on them. Not to make them win.). He left out saying that God was going to make them win. He simply prayed for a human being who is suffering from a concussion. From a human being who has friends that are worried about his health. For a human being who has x amount of fans legitimately worried about his health. Because at the end of the day, he’s more than a player for the Canucks who’s out of the lineup…he’s someone with a potentially life changing injury right now. He prayed for him as a person, not a player.
Didn’t look or sound like a publicity stunt to me. Didn’t sound like anything other than a christian doing what the bible tells him to do: care about people. Simply lifting up a fellow human being in prayer because he’s hurting right now. So good.
Continuing to pray for Daniel. What matters is that he gets better. At the end of the day that’s all that matters. Get well soon!
biznow
March 27, 2012While it was a nice gesture, I hope this is the last we hear of Jesus on PITB. ( Unless Luongo grows a bad ass playoff beard and is seen in sandles, no longer walking the seawall, but rather the sea itself, in which case, let the photoshops begin)
It’s not about intolerance, but more so the fact that Kirk Cameron has all our online Jesus needs fulfilled already. Now in fairness, you should run a story about the teams of doctors and scientists studying the cause, effects, and treatment of head injuries. They are the real miracle workers.
Harrison Mooney
March 27, 2012Fact: If we come across another curious story where the Canucks and religion intersect, we’re gonna blog it, regardless of the religion.
biznow
March 27, 2012I secretly hope its Scientology.
the real bob
March 28, 2012SOMEBODY GET TOM CRUISE
biznow
March 27, 2012Just giving you an opinion from a reader, thats all. I prefer a separation of church and skate. (see what I did there? huh?)
Harrison Mooney
March 28, 2012Okay, that’s clever.
Anonymous
March 28, 2012IDK man there are a few Bible references in various IWTGs over the past two years, I don’t think PITB thinks we have to shut out all religious references.
Jan Lockwood
March 28, 2012Just want to say that I volunteered at the Passion Conference in Atlanta in January….there is absolutely nothing “weird” about this organization at all. You can check out their website and see for yourself…..268 generation.com There were 42,000 students at that conference and 2,000 volunteers….”together we are a force for good”, we worked together and collected over 3 million dollars which will go towards organizations to help put a stop to human slavery….there are 27 million men, women and children trapped in human slavery worldwide. I love the Passion movement….it’s not about some “cold religion” , it’s about making the Name of Jesus famous in this generation. I am a big fan of the Vancouver Canucks and I am happy that the Passion World Tour came to Vancouver and that Louie prayed for Daniel
nelson95
March 29, 2012kookileekoo