Duncan Keith will be suspended; he should be suspended for longer

It baffles me, the way people continue to misunderstand the reasoning behind January’s five-game suspension to Brad Marchand. The Boston Bruins’ winger wasn’t simply suspended for clipping; he was suspended for the circumstances surrounding the clip as well. What makes Marchand’s supplemental discipine stand out from the manifold Shanabans served by the Department of Player Safety this season is, simply, that the Department saw intent.

Most of the time, it’s impossible to judge an ugly play on anything other than the split-second in which it happens. In this case, Sheriff Shanahan saw the incident the same way we did: predatory, based on the way Marchand chases Sami Salo around the ice prior to injuring him.

There are two reasons I bring this up. The first is to dismiss out of hand any and all comparisons between what Marchand did and other clips before or after it. At this point, the entire Boston media has a screenshot of the Marchand clip saved to their desktop, and every low hit that follows inspires a half-assed and contextually (and intellectually) devoid juxtaposition. But, unless you can go back and find evidence that the hitter targeted the hittee, that he punched the hittee in the back of the head multiple times in an effort to draw a response before turning to the low-bridge, don’t waste your breath. Most ugly incidents are instinctive, a word Brendan Shanahan used to describe Shane Doan’s elbow to the head of Jamie Benn, which drew a three-gamer on Wednesday. The Marchand incident was premeditated.

The second reason I refer to this incident is because Duncan Keith’s elbow to the face of Daniel Sedin from Wednesday’s game between the Vancouver Canucks and Chicago Blackhawks actually does have something in common with it: while the hits were very different in type, both injurious hits shared the unique distinction of being best described as “premeditated”, rather than “instinctive”.

Keith is in trouble. Here’s the hit again:

For the video impaired: after Henrik Sedin attempts to move a bouncing puck across the neutral zone to his brother, who is being shadowed by Keith, the puck strikes the boards and jumps into the air. As the puck sails behind them, Keith steps into Daniel and drives his elbow into the Canucks winger’s face. It’s inexcusable.

Now, I tend to be sympathetic to the players when it comes to ugly hits at speed, simply because, yes, hockey is fast. There are times when appeals to this truism are false, but there are also times when it should be kept under consideration. There’s a reason some hockey players are trained with Air Force technology — the game moves fighter pilot fast, and there are going to be instances in which even the quickest thinkers appear unthinking.

Keith made an appeal to this truism. From the Vancouver Sun:

“The puck was up in the air, and from what I remember, I’m trying to close my gap and have a good gap on him, right at the last second he moves forward and I don’t know where the puck is. It’s fast and, like I said, I hope he’s OK. I haven’t seen the replay. I need to see it again.”

But I don’t buy it. Keith is hardly a victim of pace, and his victimization of Daniel Sedin is accidental only in terms of what part of the head the elbow strikes. Daniel does indeed move at the last second; he swivels, which is why the elbow catches him in the face. But the location of Daniel’s head doesn’t change in the slightest otherwise, and this play doesn’t occur all that quickly. Keith had ample time to make a better decision.

Speaking of time, this incident doesn’t take place in a vacuum.

We have to touch on Henrik Sedin’s assertion that Keith was following through on a threat. “It’s one of those hits where things were said before from a certain guy and he did what he wanted to and that’s too bad,” Henrik said, referring to a claim that Keith had threatened Daniel prior to the incident.

But, for the most part, that’s neither here nor there unless an official can verify it. The last thing the Department of Player Safety needs to do is open the Pandora’s Box that is factoring the testimony of an aggrieved third party into disciplinary matters. Henrik Sedin has always been an honest fellow, but you simply can’t use his testimony here and remain impartial. So out it goes.

Still, while we don’t have footage of the threat, we do have context. Prior to Duncan Keith trying to turn Daniel Sedin’s face concave, Sedin catches Keith with a late, high hit of his own:

Forgive me if my reaction to this is muted. Heck, there’s an irony in this hit. If Daniel Sedin isn’t the player making it, it’s nowhere near as dirty as it appears. That’s not to say Daniel is making an overly dirty hit, either; it’s just that, if anyone else is coming in on Keith, the Chicago blueliner braces himself for contact rather than leaning over to watch his pass.

Daniel typically doesn’t hit. This is Chicago, however, a team whose game plan is to beat the stuffing out of him, so Daniel gets the jump and dishes out what he expects to be taking all night. But, with the hit a beat late and Keith hunching, suddenly the equity in the two men’s height is gone and Daniel’s shoulder connects with Keith’s head. This a penalty to be certain, but it’s no more than two minutes. In terms of execution, it’s a clean hit – Daniel doesn’t leave his feet and he keeps his elbow down. But head contact is head contact, and you have to penalize for it.

But it’s a far cry from Keith’s blatant and egregious elbow, and ignore those who would claim it justifies or excuses it, because it doesn’t. In fact, if it does anything, it makes the elbow look worse.

I think Keith knows it too, which is why he acts as though Daniel Sedin’s hit never even happened, saying “No, I don’t think so” when asked if Sedin hit him up high first. I won’t say this is dishonesty, because I’ve chosen to dismiss the evidence that would prove he was acting in retaliation to Sedin’s hit, but I will say I suspect this to be dishonest.

Here’s the issue. As mentioned, the “speed of the game” card is always going to be in play when it comes to head hits. But the moment you have evidence a hit didn’t occur within that vacuum, the hitter’s in trouble. In that regard, Keith’s hit, which appears to be a premeditated retaliation, deserves massive discipline.

Brendan Shanahan’s major crusade this season has been to rid head hits from the game. It’s been a tough slog, since the game, as played, virtually guarantees some will still occur unintentionally. But here we have an instance where a player appears to have consciously chose to make one.

While it sounds like it won’t be more than five games, the suspension should be severe. If the league really wants to snuff out head hits, it would do well to severely punish those who premeditate to employ them.

156 comments

  1. James W.
    March 22, 2012

    Couldn’t have said it any better.

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    • george
      March 23, 2012

      Sedin needs to be suspended too. If not for his cheap shot, nothing would have happened. It’s amazing how Vancouver forgets about ALL THE CHEAPSHOTS they have given to Seabrook, Bolland and TOEWS.

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  2. Warpstone
    March 22, 2012

    I’ve given up thinking suspensions will remove crap like elbows to the head.

    Honestly, the instigator is a poor rule, but I think the part about fining the coach has merit. I’m not even making the case that this is because the coach is either encouraging such play through instruction or inaction. No, it’s pure game theory: hit the coach in the pocket for his player’s transgressions. Even better, hit the GM and owner too. The fines will add up, even for millionaires.

    If a player executes a head shot worthy of suspension, then fine his coach. Things may actually change.

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    • shoes
      March 22, 2012

      You are wrong warpstone, If Duncan Keith is suspended for 20 games or more……it WILL stop this type of hit. I hope that he gets suspended into the playoffs by two games and so he should. Torres was suspended for a hit on Eberle that targeted the head and he lost 2 playoff games and Eberle missed 1 game, I believe.
      What bothers me the most about this hit, other than the injury to Daniel, is one or both refs saw it and both deemed it ok…….except for 2 minutes. Or as Francois St Laurent said after the game….I don’t know what I saw. hahahaha. BTW…

      Just as an aside St Laurent is good offseason friend of Stephane Auger….anybody else think this plays into a non-call like this. After all the Hawks are a different team with Keith out of the lineup and he should have been out when it was 1-0 Canucks.

      All in all the NHL must figure out a way to make their refs more intelligent or more fair.

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      • Warpstone
        March 22, 2012

        I don’t disagree with you. I just don’t see anyone in the league office having the balls to really up the ante on a “routine” head shot. Hence, I’ve given up hope on suspensions and think the solution (if it ever comes) will be elsewhere.

        What really bugs me about head shots in particular is that I have kids in minor hockey. I look at these shots and I don’t care which teams are involved, I cringe every time. The professional game does not have the courage to tackle blatantly vicious on-ice misconduct and it doesn’t just make the NHL a joke, it hurts everybody invested in hockey.

        There needs to be a concerted campaign to shame NHL refs, decision makers and players for condoning such horrendous kill shots.

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        • Carmichael
          March 22, 2012

          Jeebus, if I had kids wanting to play an organized sport it would absolutely not be hockey. The way the NHL is going, and these are the role models for how the kids want to play the game, goonery is going to be the path to stardom. Not skill. Skill players are just convenient targets for the goons now…or I should say again.

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  3. Bonk
    March 22, 2012

    As Mark Howe put it let the players look after themselves. Sedin put a questionable hit on Mr. Keith and didn’t like the response. Keith will be suspended as should Sedin for the earlier hit. If you choose to play on the edge accept the consequences Mr. Sedin.

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    • JS Topher
      March 22, 2012

      I can agree with that.
      D. Sedin: 1 game. Maybe 2 at best.
      Keith: Should be much more AND a fine.

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    • JS Topher
      March 22, 2012

      If you only get 5 for an elbow like that, then it just makes it too easy for plugs league wide.

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    • Knight of Cydonia
      March 22, 2012

      If you let the players look after themselves, you’d have Mr. Keith in a stretcher himself after a hit like that.

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    • justanotherhockeyfan
      March 22, 2012

      Unfortunately, if left to the players we’ll end up with a series of Bertuzzi=-Moore incidents. When the league started to intervene by issuing suspensions it accepted a role in preventing those incidents – To back out now would leave them with liability in future incidents.

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    • mike
      March 23, 2012

      daniel took a cheap shot on keith and everyone know daniel or his brother will never have to stand up for their actions as they do not have the guts. he got what he deserved!

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  4. Blackhawk Pete
    March 22, 2012

    Vancouver often plays an “outsid the rules style” evidenced by the fact that they are one of the most penalized teams in the league. They do it to the hawks every year in the playoff’s i.e Torres hit on Seabrook. The league knows this. Fact is Daniel Sedin should be suspended for his cheap shot on Keith when Keith wasnt even looking that was right to Keith’s head. Here in Chicago we expect Sedin to be suspended for that. Just because Sedin got hurt and Keith didn’t shouldn’t matter. Don’t dish it out if you cant take it and Sedin started it. Boston figured out your game and thats why they go right after the Sedin’s and Kesler. If you played straight up hockey you wouldnt have to worry about this stuff at least from the hawks who play the game straight and with skill.

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    • J21
      March 22, 2012

      Yeah, I’m sure you’d feel the same way if it wasn’t a cheap counterpoint to what was very obviously a reckless and dangerous cheap-shot by one of your players.

      You would barely have noticed otherwise. Bringing Torres’ hit (which was CLEAN under the record books) was a non-sequitur, especially when the Hawks pummelled Dan Hamhuis from behind into the board the following game.

      Keith’s hit was inexcusable and you know it. You’re just trying a trite deflection strategy.

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    • shoes
      March 22, 2012

      Any chance you two hawks fans could go back up and get some to help you reread the article you just commented on. It pretty well explains that people who compare the two hits are more or less braindead and so they are. Please don’t attempt to prove Harrison right, because we all know he is.

      It was a predatory hit, made by a precious little small cat of a Hawks player and even the effeminate Keith is admitting today that he needs a suspension. I think he grew a pair overnight.

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      • Blackhawk Pete
        March 22, 2012

        If a hawks player had hit a canuck in the head on a cheap shot and then that same player got cheap shotted back then we all know what comes around goes around to a certain degree. If Keith had been knocked unconcious by Sedin’s hit then the league would be all over him today. The league focuses to much on whether a player gets hurt as opposed to the hit itself. Sedin started it and he should be suspended along with Keith for retaliating. Neither player is a cheap shot artist so its should be minimal for both. As an aside the Canucks oiften play “outside the rules” . If your going to do that then expect some retaliation. We all know the Hawks play a clean game and Vancouver plays a suspect game.

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        • CC
          March 22, 2012

          Your last sentence “we all know the Hawks play a clean game and Vancouver plays a suspect game” says it all. You are completely blind to dirty plays the hawks commit, also evidenced by how you see Sedin’s sloppy check and Keith’s predatory elbow in the same light. Shanny’s going to suspend Keith for a few games, Daniel will not get suspended, and you’re going to cry injustice. Or just cry, because even Hawk fans acknowledge that Keith’s elbow is precisely what the league is trying to get rid of.

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        • shoes
          March 22, 2012

          yes bonkyboy….If Sedin would have hit Keith in the head hard enough to make him unconcious then he would have been penalized….or if he would have used his elbow or if he would have left his feet or if would have drove his head into the boards….all those “IFS” the fact is it was a minor hit in which he probably let up, which is why there was no injury other than the ensuing hissy fit. Please stop trying to tie the two hits…you look foolish.

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        • Cody
          March 22, 2012

          The league also admits to taking injury into account now when making their rulings. Shan often says in his wrap up “an injury occurred on the play” or “the play resulted in no apparent injury” http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=623440 it is now part of what they look at..

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        • Aaron
          March 22, 2012

          According to Keith, He’s not even sure that Daniel made contact with his head and he doesn’t know what everyones talking about. So either he’s a liar, who is trying to snake his way out of a larger suspension based on retaliation, or Daniel didn’t really hit him that bad. Your choice, but it is one of those two, not both.

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        • warren
          March 23, 2012

          We all know the sh*thawks play a dirty game ..and have for several years now. What is Quennevilles role in that kind of play.

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          • Hockeyfan1954
            March 23, 2012

            Haha it’s funny because the blackhawks
            And kieth have won the cup before. He did it because he doesn’t take sh*t from peasants such as Sedin. Maybe if the Canucks played as “dirty” as the blackhawks they would win a Stanley cup. But no.

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        • B
          March 23, 2012

          Roll the clock back a year and Danny’s hit wouldn’t even be considered a penalty, just a solid shoulder to body hit. What Keith did has always been an ugly, gutless, cheap hit.

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    • Ron Brock
      March 22, 2012

      Yikes! Where’s this guy lining up to drink the kool-aid? If Keith was smart-and no one is acussing him of that-he would have bidded his time and taken his revenge when the opportunity presented itself. Stupid, especially for a player of his calibre. Five games minimum.

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      • Locode
        March 22, 2012

        “bided”, not bidded. Bidded isn’t a word.

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    • Shand
      March 22, 2012

      HAHAHA this is great

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  5. J21
    March 22, 2012

    Shanahan has basically been castrated by the league since the Marchand hit. You barely hear his name anymore, notwithstanding the recent Doan suspension.

    Keither is a marquee player on an Original Six team, one which the media loves to celebrate because they like their jerseys or something, and the game was against the one team that the self-perpetuating media machine loves to say should be hated because they say it should be.

    Keith will get no more than 3-4 games, and seeing as they’ll all be in the regular season, it’ll do nothing to him or the Blackhawks. Daniel will of course miss a bunch of time and not be himself when he gets back.

    If the NHL were serious about this sort of thing, they would defer his punishment until the start of the playoffs. If Aaron Rome deserves 4 Finals games for a marginally late hit, I guess Keith deserves a few playoff rounds for his planned, dangerous, targeted play. Good old NHL and their consistency!

    I am glad Henrik ridiculed the “good Canadian kid” thing. While I would almost prefer that the players be isolated from the media BS, it’s good to see xenophobic fans called out for what they are.

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    • shoes
      March 22, 2012

      i too was glad to see Hank bring that up….because all the old boys in the NHLand media (COLON, Don and Ron and Milbury) like to talk the “tough Canadian game” but they only like it when their team is using it to advantage. The NHL is getting lamer by the day and looks confused and impartial when treating penalties and discipline. I think it is time for a complete overhaul at the top and a good time, might be when the VP of Hockey Ops has a kid on an active team.

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  6. Justin
    March 22, 2012

    It’s interesting that you justify Sedin’s hit on Keith because Keith wasn’t expecting a hit as he knew it was Sedin coming at him. At what point is there evidence that Keith knew exactly who was coming at him? And why should that matter when deciding if a hit is dirty or not?

    His hit is then further justified because “This is Chicago, however, a team whose game plan is to beat the stuffing out of him, so Daniel gets the jump and dishes out what he expects to be taking all night.” Seems like different standards for different players/teams, based on pure speculation on your part.

    There’s a reason why Vancouver ends up in these situations so often, and why they’ve developed the reputation they have around the league. Their media (yourself included) is becoming just as bad as the team.

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    • JS Topher
      March 22, 2012

      “There’s a reason why Vancouver ends up in these situations so often, and why they’ve developed the reputation they have around the league.”
      Because they’re good?

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      • Justin
        March 22, 2012

        Because they’re a bunch of whiners…they play a certain way but aren’t prepared to deal with the consequences…they thought they could get away with it last year in the Stanley Cup Finals, and they found out the hard way that the Bruins wouldn’t put up with it…when the tables turned they were too scared to deal with, and that’s why the Bruins won the Cup and the sisters never will

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        • CC
          March 22, 2012

          Hilarious how guys like Justin call the Canucks a bunch of whiners while trolling a Canucks discussion board with whiney comments. I guess when nobody listens to you in real life, visiting a Canucks message board is the way to go. Go join Keith on the golf course for the next few games, Justin. He can use the company.

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        • eastvanhalen
          March 22, 2012

          We need a “Sedin sisters” parallel to Godwin’s law: thread over, permanent loss of whatever limited credibility the writer might have had, general mockery for lack of originality, meathead sexism, and general douchebaggery.

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          • Harrison Mooney
            March 22, 2012

            Yep. You have invented Godwin’s Sister’s Law.

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        • SeattleFan
          March 22, 2012

          You know, your points might be taken seriously if you didn’t feel the need to throw the “Sisters” comment in there. Actually, no, you’re an idiot.

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        • Shand
          March 22, 2012

          Sometimes I like to wonder: “what if all the trolls on the internet are the same guy?”

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        • Hockeyfan1954
          March 23, 2012

          Don’t forget the riots haha!

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    • Spelling Nazi
      March 23, 2012

      ya, because you guys are dirty. Case in point. You get what you give.

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  7. GoHawks
    March 22, 2012

    While I hate to see any player hurt, I do have one thing to say,

    “What goes around comes around”

    Whether it was Sedin’s hit earlier in the game, or Torres’ hit last year on Seabrook (with no suspension I might add), or the countless other times the Canucks play outside the lines the Canucks need to be reminded of the motto, “You live by the sword and you die by the sword”.

    It also amazes me how Burrows can continue to find gutless ways to fight. First it was pulling hair, then it’s biting fingers, and then last night he’s throwing a knee to the groin during a fight.

    Really? He’s a disgrace to hockey players along with the male gender, and I’d have no problems telling him in person. Let me just put on a cup, shave my head and put on some gloves first.

    Keith will no doubt get a suspension which he deserves, but Canucks fans can’t seriously be that clueless on why their team is the most hated in the NHL.

    It’s definitely not because of a dynasty of championships.

    As a diehard Blackhawks fans, I understand rivalries. I hate the Red Wings, but the difference is that I RESPECT the team and the organization. There is nothing respectable about the Canucks, the organization and their fans (as last years riots proved).

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    • CC
      March 22, 2012

      Yes, what goes around comes around. Toews is on the shelf with a concussion to balance the idocy of hawks fans like you. If Burrows is a disgrace to hockey players, you’re a disgrace to fans. You think you understand hockey and rivalries but you can’t even see past the transgressions of your own team. Thanks for coming out.

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      • GoHawks
        March 22, 2012

        You must’ve failed reading comprehension where I stated that Keith deserved to get suspended. What you clueless Canucks fans can’t see is the your double standard. Your team ir know for goonery, but whine like little girls when the physicality is thrown right back at you.

        No problem with Keith getting suspended. Next time sound out the words and maybe it’ll sink in better.

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        • Aaron
          March 22, 2012

          How many suspensions do the Canucks have this year for dirty hit, for that matter how many players have they injured. It is confusing that puling hair is somehow more vilified than a player targeting another teams best player and then refusing to fight afterward.

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      • GoHawks
        March 22, 2012

        I also find it humorous that Canucks fans are lecturing Hawks fans on what it’s like to be a good fan. It’s like Syria lecturing the rest of the world on human rights.

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        • CC
          March 22, 2012

          “There is nothing respectable about the Canucks, the organization and their fans.” Who’s lecturing who here? A hawk fan shows up on a Canucks blog, unloads his drivel, and finds it humorous that Canucks fans are lecturing Hawks fans. Go look the mirror and try not to cry.

          Obviously Keith deserves to be suspended. Nobody’s disputing that. I’m disputing every other part of your comment, like how Sedin had it coming to him. Keith’s was unjustifyable no matter how you try to justify it. Canuck fans are not clueless about why we’re the most hated team – when you win the President’s Trophy and make the SCF with a mostly European team, it brings out the worst in people.

          Nobody listen to you on the Hawks discussion boards? Hope you’re enjoying your 15 mins of fame here on the Canucks blog.

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          • GoHawks
            March 22, 2012

            …and the Blackhawks have gone to the SCF and won, and the previous year lost in the Conference final. What’s your point? The President’s Trophy? Enjoy that.

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    • Chris the Curmudgeon
      March 22, 2012

      Someday, the Blackhawk media will wise up to the rules of hockey, and their fans will screw off with these asinine comments.

      And Burrows pulled his hair 3 years ago. It was kind of childish, but it was three freaking years ago. Get over it already.

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    • John in Marpole
      March 22, 2012

      Perhaps Keith should have manned up and fought Burrows instead of acting like a little girl?

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  8. eastvanhalen
    March 22, 2012

    I know this is a great analysis because it’s pretty much exactly the one I made last night. :) I hope Shanahan throws the entire freaking library at Keith. Most amused by Hawks fans’ attempt to write off a blatant away-from-the-play elbow to the head as a proper response to a check delivered low in the knees, forearm to the chest. Are the Sedins too weak? Too physical? I’m surprised they don’t get dizzy from all that spinning.

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    • shoes
      March 22, 2012

      Hawks fans seem like they don’t understand the game, because most of them have “been watching the hawks forever” In some cases over 2 years. They are all newbie bandwagoners who had their one and done thing.

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      • eastvanhalen
        March 22, 2012

        Yeah. It’s been funny watching all these Hawks fans appear at Canucks games in the past few seasons. “Original Six, man!” Yarite. I didn’t see you around 10 years ago when your team sucked.

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      • Hockeyfan1954
        March 23, 2012

        Canuck fans don’t seem to understand the game if when they lose they have no class and start destroying their own city. They have won 4 by the way.

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  9. sarah
    March 22, 2012

    Any update on Danny?

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    • shoes
      March 22, 2012

      Danny has been sent to Vancouver for evaluation. Hoping it is sore jaw and not concussion, but at least the NHL is in no hurry to suspend, they have until Sunday and they have said they will wait for further evaluation..

      Too bad for the Hawks that Dr Mark Recchi has retired.

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      • mac n cheese
        March 23, 2012

        Every time I see the phrase “Dr. Mark Recchi” I feel SO HAPPY!

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  10. Chris W
    March 22, 2012

    I agree with everything you said, with one exception, and that’s the downplaying of Daniel’s original hit on Keith. It doesn’t matter who the player is doing the hitting, that hit was borderline at best, even without the head contact. I know you acknowledge that head contact is a penalty, but you can’t say a hit is “clean in its execution” if it targets the head, and that’s exactly what happened.

    Had the play been penalized, its possible Keith doesn’t retaliate. And if there’s no retaliation, we’re blogging this morning about how many games Daniel will be suspended, instead of lobbying for a longer one on Keith.

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    • bergberg
      March 22, 2012

      I don’t think anyone is going to sit hear and say that Daniel didn’t deserve a penalty on that play. Most Canucks fans, at least those that frequent this site, are more objective than some *ahem* other fans. But calls get missed all the time. Just because a call is missed, you can’t go knock some guys head off.

      I also wouldn’t say Daniel targeted the head. When I saw it, it looked like he hit the body first and then extended upwards hitting the head. Still a penalty, but not really a “dirty” hit.

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      • eastvanhalen
        March 22, 2012

        Yup. The head contact was incidental. He should have been sent to the box for two, but I don’t buy “borderline at best” and I don’t see a suspension.

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        • Chris W
          March 22, 2012

          I say “borderline” because, yeah, it’s in the book that you can check a guy who just had the puck. There’s plenty of time for Daniel to turn away, and go up the the ice, but he doesn’t – the check sends a message within the bounds of the rulebook that “I know you want to hit me, but I can hit you too”. But Harrison said it — “head contact is head contact”. It’s suspendable under Rule 48 — I’m just being objective, and that was my original point — no one else seem to mention a suspension to Daniel, when, if he hadn’t gotten cheapshotted, he’d get to wear a suit for the next few games.

          I agree that you can’t go “knock someone’s head off” for a missed call, but if you don’t think there’s an “eye for an eye” mentality if a player feels slighted, you’re smoking something funny in your pipe. But by NO means am I justifying Keith’s hit… it was cheap/dirty/shady/insert favorite pejorative… he could’ve laid an equally viscous “legal” hit, gotten his pound of flesh, and gone about his way.

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          • D
            March 22, 2012

            Chris W., I respectfully disagree with your assessment that Daniel Sedin’s hit on Duncan Keith was “borderline at best, even without head contact.” Rule 48.1 states:

            Illegal Check to the Head – A hit resulting in contact with an opponent’s head where the head is targeted and the principal point of contact is not permitted. However, in determining whether such a hit should have been permitted, the circumstances of the hit, including whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit or the head contact on an otherwise legal body check was avoidable, can be considered.

            The main issue is whether the opponents head was targeted and the principal point of contact. The sub issues determining the mitigation of damage caused by the checking player are whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit or the head contact on an otherwise legal body check was avoidable.

            Regarding the main issue, although I believe that Daniel Sedin did not target Duncan Keith’s head, I will give you the benefit of the doubt for the sake of argument. Even IF Daniel Sedin was head hunting, the shoulder check did not result in the head being the principal point of contact. In fact, it seems Daniel Sedin’s shoulder contacted Duncan Keith’s upper body first and head second AT LEAST in equal parts. After the initial contact with Duncan Keith’s upper body, the unfortunate secondary contact with the head was unavoidable which is one of the mitigating factors in determining whether an illegal check to the head took place under Rule 48.1. As the hit to the head was subsequent to the initial contact to the body, a suspension was not warranted. Rather, a referee had the discretion to assess a 2 minute penalty (Rule 48.2). For the sake of thoroughness, a match penalty is ONLY assessed if the referee, “… in his judgment, the player attempted to or deliberately injured his opponent with an illegal check to the head.” (Rule 48.5)

            Although I agree that slighted NHL players will react to an adverse action by a counterpart, Duncan Keith’s subsequent hit on Daniel Sedin was not the case of “eye for an eye.” Rather, it seemed like “you take my eye out, I take your head off” sort of frontier justice mentality that the NHL has been striving to eliminate recently. In the end this is a case of a 2 minute minor offense (at most) versus a very suspendible offense.

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  11. Bonk
    March 22, 2012

    Shoes- lose the insensitive tirade . Keith would hardly be considered “effeminate” given his success and game. He holds one of those rings and paid dearly for it spending a day or more having his teeth repaired. As for “growing a pair” congratulations to Daniel for trying to up his physical game albeit with less than stellar results. When his head clears he will probably have some remorse for his role in the altercation. Leave it on the ice.

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    • shoes
      March 22, 2012

      Bonkyboy…you cannot make a hit like that….even if you lost your teeth a couple of years ago….the effeminate came, because \keith had a little tap that did not even come close to putting his head into the boards and he threw a HISSY fit and lost it. He should now pay for that and he DID grow a pair overnight….he came out and said “I expected a major and got a minor, the puck was nowhere to be found” Not a bad confession….now you try the grow a pair thing and admit that he was in the wrong and stop with the silly deflection….to “oh one time seabrook took a hit from Torres carp” you sound silly and so Chicago fan.

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      • eastvanhalen
        March 22, 2012

        Nah, when you start yabbering about effeminacy you just sound like an asshat, regardless of team affiliation.

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      • J21
        March 22, 2012

        That was Vigneault who said that. For some reason it was attributed to Keith in some of the writeups, but he didn’t confess at all… just played the usual “Who, me?” card.

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    • GoHawks
      March 22, 2012

      I also find Shoes’ “once and done” statement amusing along with his questioning of fans loyalty. The fans who torched a city because his team choked. Even if you take the same slice of history from when the Canucks came into the league, the Canucks haven’t come close to the accomplishments that the Blackhawks have had, but that’s a debate for another blog.

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      • zach
        March 22, 2012

        the riot card is getting old. I will give you an exert from one “Chicago Tribune”
        every city has at some point rioted over a loss, or even in some cases a win. Yes, Vancouver rioted after losing last year. But the city is hardly the only one, nor the last, that will riot over sports. If you knew any history about your own city you would know that they have rioted multiple times for various wins and loses in pro sports.

        “Vancouver shouldn’t feel bad though, as similar riots after sporting events, usually after a championship win instead of a loss, have happened in several cities in recent years, including Los Angeles, San Francisco, Denver, Chicago, New York, Detroit, Montreal and Boston”

        the rule I take away from this, bad people do bad things. Stop generalizing every fan under the same umbrella, every city has bad people.

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      • shoes
        March 22, 2012

        Well as Mark Twain said “hawks fans should keep their mouth shut and have us think they are idiots rather than open them …and remove all doubt” So yeah I guess you have been around for awhile, but your take on last nights game is so lame that it defies hockey sense completely. Keith is going to sit and Sedins hit on him was a minor penalty at best.

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        • Micheal
          March 22, 2012

          It’s simple math:

          A very large group of people crammed in a confined space + Dissapointment + alcohol makes regrettable things happen. It could have happened anywhere. Your painting with pretty broad strokes if you assosiate all Canucks fans with what 1 percent of the people downtown had done.

          “Canucks fans are this… Canucks fans are that…” Wait… *99 percent* didn’t do anything…

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  12. Toug
    March 22, 2012

    Bad hit, bad play, and definitely worthy of a considerable suspension… but you cheapen your argument by simply writing off Sedin’s hit as a simple two minute penalty (hunches late? His head doesn’t move when Sedin is approaching him). This is the issue with the Vancouver media (minus one or two) – you continue to argue black and white, good and bad. There is a reason the rest of the league and all hockey fans hate the Canucks, and reading articles like this – that willfully ignore the Canucks tactics, attitude, and behaviour – adds to the contempt the rest of us feel. And I’m not even a Blackhawks fan.

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    • J21
      March 22, 2012

      I have not seen a more hilarious one-sided approach to the game than those of Barry Rozner and his gang in Chicago, and the Bruins’ press cheerleaders last season. You want hockey turned into Star Wars or the Second World War, look no further.

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  13. Frank
    March 22, 2012

    As a person who loves hockey and lives in the Vancouver area, I can’t believe the one sidedness of the reporting and the fans in this market. If a Canuck does something dirty, it is always justified, if an opposing player does something, well lets string him up. The fans here love the onesidedness and it truely makes me sick. How about some honesty and fairness in our reporting and our fans opinions of the games. This article is a prime example of this homer phenominon.

    I do agree that keith deserves a suspention, yup 2-3 games would probably be right. I also think that Daniel deserves one as well probably 1-2 games. The reason: Daniel had time not to make that hit to the blindside hit to Keith but did anyway, just as was pointed out the Keith had time not to make the hit on Sedin, so really the only difference is that Keith used his elbow and Sedin did not. I think that is fairly accurate assesment. The puck was in the air on the Keith hit, and the puck had been moved away on the Sedin hit, kind of similar, but it is hard to compaire those points.

    So as someone who has nothing invested in this dispute between Chicago fans and Canuck fans, I think you guys are both wrong, but the amount of times I see complete one sided articles for the canucks in this town is outragous, and has to stop.

    I can also understand why the Canucks are the most hated team in Hockey (Burrows is likely the most hated player in hockey and rightfully so). Plus their fans and writers.

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    • bergberg
      March 22, 2012

      “The puck was in the air on the Keith hit, and the puck had been moved away on the Sedin hit, kind of similar, but it is hard to compaire those points.”

      No it’s not. Keith had played the puck prior to the Sedin hit. Daniel was late, sure. But again, that only deserves a penalty. Sedin never even touched the puck before he was taken out. There aren’t similar at all.

      Also, a deliberate elbow to the head is a very different play than a high body-check that makes contact with the head (as well as the body).

      They are two different hits, and should be treated as such. I’m not saying Daniel is innocent. I’m just saying they’re clearly different.

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    • J21
      March 23, 2012

      “As a person who loves hockey and lives in the Vancouver area, I can’t believe the one sidedness of the reporting and the fans in this market.”

      Every fan who cheers against the local team says this about the local press. Every last one. Trying hanging out in any other NHL city before you jump to silly conclusions like this. If anything, last year’s playoffs demonstrated how much more ludicrous it is in other markets.

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  14. JoeBlow
    March 22, 2012

    Daniel is out for at least 2 games for those of you who want him suspended. You want to stop head shots suspend Keith for the rest of the season and at least 2 playoff games. Fine the coach and team as well. NHL will never do it though as they have no cohones!

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  15. Zach Morris
    March 22, 2012

    Canucks fans…Blackhawks fans…
    Can we at least agree on the fact that the Leafs totally suck, and won’t make the playoffs?

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  16. Kent from NucksMisconduct
    March 22, 2012

    One thing to remember: Shanahan himself said this week that one game during the finals is worth 12 regular season games. Compare the Rome hit to this in terms of severity, whether or not it was a ‘hockey play’ and the retaliation factor. Can you tell me that this hit by Keith is 5 or less regular season games when Rome’s was the equivalent of more than half a season according to his math?

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    • shoes
      March 22, 2012

      Teh Rome suspension was decided on by a team that included Colin Campbell, Mike Murphy, Brian Burke, and Shanahan……..Poor Rome never stood a chance because all had something to gain by knocking him out of the playoffs. If that would have been round 1 he would have got a 28 game suspension ….. The hit by Keith was much more targeting and the rules have supposedly got tougher and Shanny is supposedly independent of Gregory’s Pa, so it could be more than 5 games….I think it should be 12, not that it will help the Canucks at all, just make us feel better.

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      • Blackhawk Pete
        March 22, 2012

        Shoes you need to admit that Sedin went over the line and should be suspended for it. Hes not a goon so one game. Keith retaliated and hes not a goon so one game. That should be it. Vancouver is the most penalized team in the league. You can’t get away from that basic fact. The Hawks are not a physical team and everyone knows that so you can’t call them goons. If the Canucks are going to play that style don’t cry when one of your skill players get cheap shotted. Here its even worse for you because the same player in the same game committed a cheap shot on the sam guy that hit him later. And your not going to the finals this year either. It will be Nashville or Chicago

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        • John Andress
          March 22, 2012

          I don’t know where you got the “Vancouver is the most penalized team in the league stat”. According to NHL Statistics they are, actually, only fifth in the league,
          three places ahead of your squeaky clean Blackhawks who are in eigth place. But I forget. Blackhawks fan have a long history of making up stories in place of reality when it suits you.

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          • Blackhawk Pete
            March 22, 2012

            John I was watching the game last night and the announcers stated that Vancouver was the most penalized team in the league. So thats where I got it. I did not research that. But anyone who watches the NHL knows the hawks are not a physical team.

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        • shoes
          March 22, 2012

          BlackhawkPete after reading your post…sadly I had to downgrade my opinion of the average Hawks fan. I had generously given them a room temperature (chilly day) IQ, but your post convinced me that there is nobody home at all.

          If you cannot tell the difference between the two hits, there is no amount of time left on the planet that would allow you time to be educated in hockey matters. You sir/ma’am are to put it bluntly sounding very stupid with that post.

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          • Blackhawk Pete
            March 22, 2012

            Look closely at the Sedin hit again. Keith’s looking the other way and Sedin lunges his shoulder into Keith’s head. If Keith was injured there Sedin would be in big trouble for that. Just because Keith wasn’t injured doesn’t change the nature of the hit. I’m calling for mutual suspensions.

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  17. john
    March 22, 2012

    I like a lot of what you say… but
    To me Marchand had the intent to flip Salo over, that is clear. How can you argue that flipping someone over is intent to injure?

    You can argue an elbow to the head is intent to injure by it’s very act. You cannot put yourself in the players head and guess what he was thinking.

    Did Marchand really think “I am going to bend over flip him over and he will land awkwardly on his head and be concussed?

    When Kesler did the same play last week he knew what the outcome of going low was. Guy flips over. He made a decision to go low, but you cannot argue he meant to hurt him.

    If you hit someone with a blow to the head and have time to pull out of the contact point, that
    is intent to injure way more than Marchand’s hit.

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  18. JDM
    March 22, 2012

    Dear everyone,

    I know this is a tough one to predict. After all, the play looked pretty brutal, and the context suggested it was premeditated, and there was an injury, and Doan just got 3 games yesterday for a still-terribad-but-not-quite-as-worse elbow so you’d think Keith would get more. But but but!

    Keith has no history of this! He is a clean player, a classy guy who until now Henrik even respected. Everyone thinks Keith’s a standup dude. He’s not a repeat offender, and there’s nothing in his record to suggest you could expect this sort of thing from him.

    Oh, if only we had the video… that might make him look bad. I’m kidding, we do have it.

    Let me take you back to 2009, a game between the Hawks and the Penguins. Matt Cooke, in 2009 Matt Cooke form, is being a pest. He throws a sizeable and aggressive bodycheck on Keith behind the net, knocking Keith down. Later in the shift, what happens?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XiTS8NjNao

    Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest my goddamn case. Someone please send this to Shanahan.

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  19. Chicky
    March 22, 2012

    Two things
    1) who in the world opened the door to the twilight zone? Why are Chitown blinders posting? Go back to your east coast time zone!

    2) didnt like Danny’s hit on Keith, yes it should have been a minor penalty, but you people are seriously dilusional if you don’t think that elbows hot was intentional. It sure as hell was, and everyone can smell it from a mile away. Just hope Shanny sees it for what it was.

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  20. John Andress
    March 22, 2012

    The fundamental difference between the two hits (aside from the issue of intent) is that whilst Danial’s hit is a bit late and does contact the head, the whole of Danial’s body contacts Kieth and all of Kieth’s body, including the head, is involved in the impact. Definitely a penalty. Supplemental discipline? Perhaps but probably not. On the other hand, in Kieth’s hit, the only part of Kieth that contacts Danial is his elbow and the only part of Danial contacted is his head. A fairly classic definition of ” the head is the principal point of contact” wouldn’t you say? Also, consider the fact that Danial is not moving forward but is pivoting to pursue the puck which, it seems, is of no interest to Kieth what-so-ever. Kieth had more than ample time to decide that this would not be an appropriate hit. I doubt whether Canucks fans will be satisfied wih the number of games Kieth will get suspended for but it really is immaterial except for reenforcing the idea that head hits are not wanted in the NHL, The length of the suspension wont impact where the Canucks finish the season but the Canucks are at risk of losing Sedin for a lot longer than any suspension. Until hits where intent to injure is clear, perhaps the suspended player should be required to sit out until the injured player is able to return to his team’s line-up. Good old Gilbert and Sullivan. Make the punishment fit the crime, the punishment fit the crime.

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    • Blackhawk Pete
      March 22, 2012

      John you have some good reasoning there but I would add two point. 1) Keith was looking the other way when Sedin lined him up and clearly he lunged into Keith’s head and 2) Sedin’s hit was before Keith’s and Sedin was looking right at Keith when it happened. Bottom line Keith was wrong but Sedin started it and he was wrong too. So I say two minimal suspensions. These guys aren’t goons.

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  21. canadianhawk
    March 22, 2012

    My god, talk about being dilusional…even as a Hawk fan, I agree that Keith deserves a suspension but in the heat of the game…especially when the Hawks play the Nucks, crap happens..sometimes players go over the line and they pay for it after…Keith hasn’t got the history so gear the rage back a bit….then again where were you with the Raffi Torres hit on Seabrook…whats that? Thought so.

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    • Micheal
      March 22, 2012

      I don’t think any reasonable Canucks fan liked the Torres hit on Seabrook.

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      • Brent
        March 23, 2012

        Ya I agree, he should have been suspended, at least one game maybe more. I really don’t miss him as a Canuck. Likely his behavious in the playoffs was a factor in his not being resigned. At least I hope so.

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    • J21
      March 23, 2012

      Torres’ hit was (a) legal under the rule book, and (b) last year. It has nothing to do with this.

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  22. akidd
    March 22, 2012

    a particularly nauseating element to the keith hit was henrik’s assertion that keith threatened daniel with ‘getting him’ before delivering the egregious, predatory elbow. daniel’s earlier hit on keith was his 34th(?) of the year. daniel and his brother do nothing but take punishment and this was a very rare instance of one of them dishing out a little.

    how many times have we heard the pundits call for the sedins to stick up for themselves? to play tough, canadian hockey? many. so daniel actually throws a bodycheck(albeit late and a bit high) and then keith acts like the schoolyard bully. like where a kid finally stands up for himself after years of torment and is rewarded with an extra brutal beatdown. it’s some kind of sick human instinct it seems.

    i never really thought of keith as a dirty player. you know who else i never thought of as a dirty player? todd bertuzzi. he was tough and snarly but he always seemed more interested in scoring than hurting. prior to the moore hit his only suspension was for coming off the bench to protect jovo when he was being swarmed. and what did he do when he got off the bench? he calmly bearhugged a guy so he would stop going after jovo. that’s it. no violence. just coming off the bench to stop the violence

    the moore hit was a moment of rage and bad-decision-making for which he was given a very lengthy suspension and villified foreverafter as the epitome of a dirty player. i was a bert fan and still am but agree with his suspension because you just can’t hurt people like that.

    while a different situation, keith, with the premediatated brutality of his elbow is not that far away. he’s a skilled player with a clean record who momentarily lost his mind and sought to injure another player. society says even if you’ve been a model citizen your whole life you can’t just one day crack and go postal. very bad things would happen if everyone was given one free pass. bertuzzi made one mistake and paid dearly. how much will keith pay?

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    • Blackhawk Pete
      March 22, 2012

      Great language to describe the hit as an “egrigious predatory elbow” But its nowhere near what Bertuzzi did.

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    • Chris W
      March 22, 2012

      This will get mucho negative votes and otherwise be wildly unpopular, but I would think if Daniel hadn’t hit Keith in the head to begin with, the Keith wouldn’t feel the need for the “extra brutal beatdown”, as you put it.

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    • Steven Ray Orr
      March 22, 2012

      100% right.

      My only addition is that I don’t care how many games Keith is suspended. It doesn’t help Daniel recover and, while it could hurt Chicago’s playoff position, I am more concerned with where the Canucks stand and that isn’t likely to change at all — let alone because of a Shanaban.

      I want to watch well-played hockey. Shanahan’s actions this year do not seem to prevent dirty hits and until they do, I will remain ambivalent towards them.

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  23. Stanley Cupster
    March 22, 2012

    Go Canucks, Whine some more, goalie interference, their picking on the twins, they have an ecuse for everything. Everyone knows the Canucks are one of the dirtiest teams in the NHL. Better luck next year Canuck fans. Nice trade Canuckers, Cody Hodgson for ………… : ]

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    • peanutflower
      March 22, 2012

      Okee doke then. Who let you in here?

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  24. Metaxa
    March 22, 2012

    Well…I managed to read about half way through the comments before I gave up.

    1) Burrows pulled hair because he was being fishhooked, a move banned in even MMA. for goodness sake.

    2) You can’t have your cake and eat it too…either the Sedins are sisters and incapable of throwing a hit that would incapacitate a Blackhawk or they are not. They get crap for not being aggressive and they get crap for being aggressive, circular logic makes any discussion moot. I’ll bet my left testicle that there will be no League action on Daniel’s hit, none, zero, nada. It was a hockey play that happens tens of times in any given game.

    3) any suspension meted out will only allow a 20+ minute man to rest up for the playoffs whereas Daniel may or may not be impacted longer term. I would think Blackhawk fans would be looking for a long suspension in order to have a well rested defense man back for the Real Season.

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  25. bennybenben
    March 22, 2012

    Harrison – your whole argument is structured around the idea that intent is discernible by what happens *before the illegal check. So, just as Marchand’s hit was a response to a previous play so too was Keith’s. The problem comes down to this quote:

    “Daniel typically doesn’t hit. This is Chicago, however, a team whose game plan is to beat the stuffing out of him, so Daniel gets the jump and dishes out what he expects to be taking all night.”

    In other words, Sedin was responding! Just like Marchand and Keith his intent is discernible because of prior acts. You can’t sensibly maintain that Sedin’s hit wasn’t dirty, given your own argument.

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  26. akidd
    March 22, 2012

    oops, that’s spelled, “egregious.” sure there are diffferences between bertuzzi’s action and keith’s. keith’s action was calculated whereas bertuzzi went berzerker. moore had a cracked vertabrae in his neck and his hockey career ended. we don’t know daniel’s condition.

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  27. Josh
    March 22, 2012

    Well said, Harrison. Maybe you can pass some intelligence on to your complete asshat of a colleague, Wyshynski. I love your writing here AND there, and I think it’s great you have the bigger platform there, but his blatant mocking of the Canucks and Daniel following this incident is downright disgusting, speaks to the integrity of that guy as a journalist. Won’t be reading anything of his again.

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  28. Hockeyguy
    March 22, 2012

    Hockey is the only game in the world were the rules change depending on what month we are playing in. Daniel’s hit on Keith was fair, a bit late but fair. If Daniel stood beside keith his shoulder would hit his chest not his head. Not Daniel’s fault for Keith all bent over. Keith’s hit thou was clearly revenge. Was not looking at the puck, arm clearly up, arm swinging, cliping his head. Charges should be brought against Keith along with a big suspension.
    NHL is a joke these days, refs are to blame as they controll the game. A slash in October should be a slash in March etc. With all the rule changes every month, how are the players suppose to know which night is tonight.

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  29. Deuce
    March 22, 2012

    Daniel had it comming. Daniel camefrom behind and checked Kieth in the head. Kieth came at him straight on as Daniel was trying to locate the puck. What comes around goes around. Why don’t you guys fight like men instead of pulling hair and kneeing players in the groin. You guys dish it out like school girls then cry to your mother.

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    • Daniel Wagner
      March 22, 2012

      Why doesn’t Keith fight like a man instead of driving an elbow into the face of an unsuspecting player?

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      • canadianhawk
        March 23, 2012

        For one thing, Keith’s parents taught him never to hit a girl plus he was likely worried about fighting with a “hair pulling” team again. The only time the Nucks get fiesty is in the scrum after the play stops. Nuff said.

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        • shoes
          March 23, 2012

          That is a well thought out argument…for defending Keiths right to turtle. And he did have right to turtle, after all he is only a little bit bigger than Burrows. The turtleing was ok….the yelling out for his “mommy, the weferwee, and help” were what should have embarrassed hawks fans. What irrational Hawks fans don’t seem to get in all their tirades and rants about the Canucks “dirty play” is the Canucks are the least suspended team in the NHL because they do not ofter cause injury. I never liked Torres hit on Seabrook but it was within the rules and believe you me, the NHL looked that one over as they had no love for Torres. Duncan Keith is a great hockey player, but he is an embarrassment to Penticton right now and should be an embarrassment to Hawks fans right now. It was a hit that was intended to be injure and as Duncan said afterwards….”I was so mad, that my panties felt tight and I just wanted to hurt somebody” On second thought after hearing from Dunc on his hissy fit, I think Hawks fans should be proud. A hissy fitter who turtles, is probably the average Hawks fans.

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        • Brent
          March 24, 2012

          So he isn’t allowed to hit a “girl” but he is allowed to drive his elbow into a “girls” head. I also suspect that Haley Wickenheiser would like to have a conversation with you.

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    • eastvanhalen
      March 22, 2012

      It occurs to me that your average Internet Tough Guy is the kind of mouthbreather that I used to beat the crap out of when I was an actual schoolgirl. Your mileage, of course, may vary.

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    • peanutflower
      March 22, 2012

      What guys? I don’t play for the Canucks and I’d be willing to bet none of the posters on here do either. If that was your first post it was pretty awful. Why can no one spell “Keith” correctly?

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    • mac n cheese
      March 23, 2012

      Good one, Deuce. Seriously.

      No, not really.

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  30. travlnguy
    March 22, 2012

    “hit a beat late and Keith hunching”…talk about looking at the world through rose-coloured glasses…the hit was more than a beat late, it was from a blind side (a.k.a. vulnerable position), he drove the shoulder hit upwards in to his head (Daniel gets credit for staying on his feet and cleverly keeping is elbow down just enough) and Keith was hardly hunched over (take a look at your own video, he’s in an upright hockey stance). I am not condoning what Keith did but Daniel’s hit was not nearly as innocent as you make it sound. Definitely a penalty like you said but let’s be honest, he knew exactly what he was doing. He saw Keith in a vulnerable spot and took advantage. I say Sedin should get 1 game and Keith should get three games. Either way, I suspect no matter what happens the West Coast Riot Club (WCRC) won’t be happy…

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  31. F-ingKennyPowers
    March 22, 2012

    1. Keith’s hit was retaliation for the earlier hit, but without being in his head, I don’t think any of us know enough to say it was premeditated. It was in the neutral zone and everyone was moving at a high speed. The puck jumped up in the air and I think caught both players by surprise. Keith was certainly closing his gap aggressively and in the end, it certainly was dirty hit. As a first time offender, Keith deserves a suspension of 2-3 games.
    2. The Canucks were given a power play on the elbow call, and as soon as Daniel realized this he found a way to go back on the ice. He was either faking (not likely) or was not 100% and needed to go to the quite room for an evaluation (highly likely). The NHL refuses to enforce this rule and it is time for them to do that. I am not sure what that entails, but maybe a fine of Vigneault and/or the training staff? Either way, you can’t have your cake and eat it too. If the injury is so bad that you sent Daniel back to Vancouver for an evaluation today, then the injury was bad enough to at the very least, examine him prior to sending him out on the ensuing power play. That simply doesn’t add up and it is time for the NHL to address the lack of use for the quite room, which is in the rules.
    3. Sedin’s hit was late. None of us are in a position to know if he purposely directed his shoulder at Keith’s head, but that really doesn’t matter. The fact is that he made contact with the head and Keith’s head was put into the glass. The hit was not nearly as severe as Keith’s retaliation, but it should have a penalty and at the very least, deserves a review from czar Shanahan–and if history provides any guidance, the hit could potentially warrant a suspension (of course contingent on the results of Daniel’s evaluation).
    4. Unlike Keith and Daniel, Burrows certainly is not a name that Shanahan is hearing for the first time. Kneeing can be called as a minor, major, match or game misconduct penalty. None of those were called, but the infraction can also lead to suspension and/or fine. To do that in the act of an altercation is gutless, much like biting fingers and pulling hair. I understand Burrows role on the ice and he is great at filling that role, but in this case, he is on tape dropping a knee to the groin of Keith during an altercation. At the very least, Burrows actions should also be reviewed by Shanahan and, given his history; I don’t think anyone can make a strong argument against a 1 to 2 game suspension for Burrows.

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    • Daniel Wagner
      March 22, 2012

      1. I’m unsure how the hit could be retaliation without being premeditated. I have no idea how that would even be possible.

      2. I suspect Daniel felt okay until he started skating. That’s not uncommon. But I definitely agree that he should have gone to the quiet room immediately. That’s something that has to be enforced, in my opinion.

      3. Daniel’s hit should have been a penalty, but I suspect he won’t get a suspension. I think he’ll get a fine at most. It’s not entirely dissimilar to the hits on the video of legal hits the NHL sent out at the start of the season, but because it was a bit late, it might get some attention from Shanahan. It’s worth noting that a conference call has been announced for Keith, but not for Daniel.

      4. I’ve heard and seen a lot of people talk about this, but I have yet to see a video that shows Burrows actually kneeing Keith in his nethers. When I was pointed to video, it showed Burrows with his knee on Keith’s midsection. Considering there were no complaints from the Blackhawks post-game and no one in the media is talking about it, I’m fairly certain that this is something that has been blown out of proportion. That said, if you can point me to a clear video of the incident, I’m willing to change my view.

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      • F-ingKennyPowers
        March 22, 2012

        Retaliation in that Keith had every intention of letting Daniel know he didn’t enjoy his late hit at some point in the game.

        Premeditation, at least in the way I view it, would be Keith going out on the ice with the full intention of elbowing Daniel in the head on that particular play or shift.

        Like Daniel, Keith is not really known for his physical play. But, I think when he stepped up on that play; he did so in an aggressive manner in an effort to make a big hit on Daniel. He was out of control, the puck ended up in the air when he anticipated Daniel having the puck, and Keith was already committed. As a result, Keith was beat on the play and knew that he needed to get a piece of Daniel to at least slow him down and he ended up throwing his arms towards Daniel’s head. Yes, without a doubt, ended up being a cheap shot for which he should be suspended. But, in my opinion, I don’t think elbowing Daniel directly in the head on that particular play was Keith’s intention when he stepped up.

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        • Spelling Nazi
          March 23, 2012

          long winded way of saying “stupid play”.

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        • D
          March 23, 2012

          As you can see in the video… Puck was loooong gone… Normally, a defenseman would go back to retrieve the puck and move it up ice as soon as possible. I will say that Duncan Keith is a very good defenseman who is normally very responsible with the puck. In this case, Keith was not out of control, he knew what he was doing and knew where the puck was. He saw a player in a vulnerable position (Daniel watching the puck in the air) and decided to elbow Sedin. To say that Keith ended up unintentionally accidently on purpose throwing his elbows up is far fetched. Were his elbows up because he was trying to play the puck which at the point of the hit was behind him and would have been physically impossible? Sounds like the magic bullet to me…

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          • F-ingKennyPowers
            March 23, 2012

            D-
            Attempt to watch the video without your emotions getting the better of you, or maybe brush up on your knowledge of the game. You pick.
            The puck clearly comes across the ice and hits the boards–at that point, Keith has already made his pivot and is headed towards Daniel. As I mentioned before, Keith was overly aggressive in his timing and I believe he stepped up with the intention of hitting Daniel hard, but legal. The puck then takes a funny hop off the boards and goes over both players’ heads. With Daniel’s momentum headed towards the offensive zone and Keith headed the other direction, Keith doesn’t have the choice of going back to “retrieve the puck”. He is beat and he knows it. His choices are to let Daniel go around him and hope that the back checker can beat Daniel to the puck or interfere with him. Unfortunately, in that split second he had to make the decision, he chose to interfere with Daniel…and even worse, he got his hands up and put his elbow directly into Daniel’s head. Daniel’s importance to his team as they enter the playoffs is obvious. This was an unfortunate series of events and I hope Daniel checks out fine and can get back on the ice soon.
            It was a cheap shot, but it was an elbow and it was during the play. Keith didn’t swing his stick at someone, he didn’t cold cock someone from behind after the whistle, nor did he didn’t spear someone away from the play. He will and should be suspended, but let’s keep this in perspective.

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            • Daniel Wagner
              March 23, 2012

              I completely disagree with your interpretation. Take a look at Doan’s elbow on Benn: that’s a player that is beat and sticking out his elbow to get a piece of his opponent. Keith hit Daniel straight-on: he didn’t need to lift his elbow to get a piece of Daniel: he could have interfered with him by simply bodychecking him. Instead he lifted his elbow straight into Daniel’s jaw. It was a despicable hit.

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              • F-ingKennyPowers
                March 23, 2012

                I never said that his only hope was to throw and elbow. Keith was going the wrong direction and Daniel hadn’t touched the puck. Keith had to interfere with him in some manner, which is what I said. I think we all would have rather seen Keith just grab Daniel and take the two minutes, but he decided in that moment to bring his hands up and elbow Daniel in the head. I am not defending Keith’s hit as I have said in every post that it was dirty. But I have to ask you, if Keith had gone down when Daniel hit him in the head both with an elbow and late, would you call that hit “dispicable”?

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            • D
              March 23, 2012

              I believe that Duncan Keith had enough time to pivot back towards the puck and this is my opinion due to the fact that I believe Duncan Keith to be a very talented defenseman. As the puck hit the boards, Keith had a better view of the puck coming towards him and was more aware of where the puck was than Daniel. To say that he was out of control (your previous post) is unlikely because he was aware of Daniel’s vulnerable position (looking up at the puck) AND where the puck was. If the initial contact was a shoulder to shoulder check (which may have resulted in a 2 minute interference penalty), there would be no problem, he was making a “good” defensive play in stopping a scoring chance even though it may result in a penalty.

              In your last paragraph you stated that swinging a stick at someone, cold cocking someone from behind after the whistle, or spearing someone away from the play are LESS acceptable than a blatant elbow to the face of another player with the intent to injure? Call a spade a spade, all the aforementioned acts are disrespectful, unacceptable, and “cheap shot” as you have mentioned above.

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      • Craig
        March 23, 2012

        Video of the knee to the groin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19vp8f-byXU

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        • Daniel Wagner
          March 23, 2012

          I still don’t see it. I’m not trying to be difficult, but all I see is Burrows unable to fully get to his feet. It looks like his shin lands on Keith’s leg and his knee is near his stomach. I’m honestly trying to see a knee to the groin, but it just doesn’t seem to be there. The video looks inconclusive at best.

          Combine that with the fact that no one from Chicago has even mentioned it. The only place this “knee to the groin” talk is getting play is in blogs and forums.

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          • D
            March 23, 2012

            The video is pretty conclusive in showing that Burrow’s leg/knee was on Keith’s stomach.

            On another note, when did US news outlets start hiring extremely biased bloggers to write columns for what used to be very respectable newspapers? I find it quite amusing that the advent of “blogging” has forced traditional news mediums to lower their standards of reporting to that of cheering.

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      • shoes
        March 23, 2012

        actually the Hawks did make a statement after the game about Burrows kneeing Keith. They said and I quote ” it is a good thing that Dunc has no jewels or that meanie Burrows might have squished them”

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  32. MikeS
    March 22, 2012

    So you don’t believe Keith is dishonest, you just suspect he’s dishonest.

    How is this different than “I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin’?”

    Take a stand, say what you mean and don’t try to have it both ways. You are a columnist, you are payed for your opinion so give it and live with it. Or just stick to Twitter.

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    • Harrison Mooney
      March 22, 2012

      You have misread. I can’t say Keith is being dishonest. I can only say I suspect he’s being dishonest. Which is what I said.

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  33. Kate
    March 22, 2012

    Read the article, appreciated. Read the comments, want to lose my shit. STOP using girls and sisters as insults! Do you have mothers, sisters, girlfriends…how do you think that makes them feel? It’s seriously offensive to be using female as a way to say someone is not very good, or wimpy, or somehow lesser than a man. I love PITB, I hate having to read this stupid sexist crap every time there’s a ‘controversial post’.

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    • peanutflower
      March 22, 2012

      Clap clap. but no one seems to know how to spell “Keith” on here either, so the general level of thought isn’t too high.

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  34. Enough'sEnough
    March 22, 2012

    Keith is now in the league as “those guys”. You know the ones, Steckel, Cooke etc. All the ones who are dirty, make cheap dirty plays because they have no integrity. I used to like Keith, thought he was one of the decent ones on the Hawks, but I was proven wrong last night.

    The refs failed as well, he should have received a major and kicked from the game. It’s disappointing that he will only receive 5 or less games because it should have been far more for this obvious and vicious hit when Daniel didn’t even have the puck. No excuse for it or place in the game.

    For the rest of Daniel’s career this footage will be shown over and over again. Just like Steckel’s dirty shot to Crosby and Cooke’s dirty shot to Savaard, etc. He’s that guy too. Congratulations Keith your dirty play got your team one extra point and for you, you will always be known for what you are a dirty and cheap player. Enjoy it because that’s what you are.

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  35. caj
    March 22, 2012

    How are there so many trolls voting on these comments?!

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  36. @ enoughs enough
    March 22, 2012

    Remember when kieth was MVP and won the stanley cup? I do.

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    • shoes
      March 23, 2012

      Yes I do and I admired the man……now I think he can add to his resume…..How does

      Braindead Hissy Fitter who turtles….work for ya?

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      • Hockeyfan1954
        March 23, 2012

        Sedin looked brain dead even before Keith hit him;)

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    • J21
      March 23, 2012

      So relevant to whether or not his hit was dirty. Let’s bring up the Great Chicago Fire why don’t we.

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      • Hockeyfan1954
        March 23, 2012

        Let’s bring up the riots. It was a dirty hit but he got hit first do he isn’t gonna take sh*t from nobody. It has it’s pros and cons.

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  37. Cattreefever
    March 22, 2012

    Funny, I try to read this column and all that comes out is “Waaaaaahhhh!”

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    • Harrison Mooney
      March 22, 2012

      It sounds like you might be illiterate. You should tell an adult.

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      • Brent
        March 23, 2012

        Don’t get bitter man, don’t get bitter……oh too late.

        Pretty impressive how many comments. So what is the record? I know the ones after the Hodgson trade were up over a hundred. The one’s on CBC about the Chicago game and Daniel being out are off the chart as well. Talking about getting bitter, try reading some of those comments, I think part of my soul disappears when I read cbc comments, kind of like Voldemort and his hoarcruxes, without the benefit of extra lives………

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    • shoes
      March 23, 2012

      Just curious here Cattreefever……was the best 5 years of your life grade 3? If you don’t like Canucks fans why are you hanging around making an idjit of yourself? Really you don’t have a leg to stand on. Dave Bolland calls the Twins soft….Danny throws a soft check on Keith….keith injures Danny….Keith turtles …..hawks fans defend the turd…..did I miss anything?

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  38. MelT
    March 22, 2012

    Wow, I’m the 101st commenter. Do I win a dalmation puppy?
    Just wanted to ask, could you insert the technical whatsit that makes comments disappear after they get a certain amount of downvotes?

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    • Brent
      March 23, 2012

      I would argue against this as it smacks of censorship. I am fine with blocking comments if they use foul language or are too derogatory, but just having an opinion that the majority of the Bulis universe doesn’t like should not be “illegal”. The Canuck haters will leave soon and we can all get back to singing Kumbaya together.

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      • Harrison Mooney
        March 23, 2012

        Agreed. We delete comments with profanity and we delete comments with senseless personal attacks. But being a moron, like skateboarding, is not a crime.

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        • eastvanhalen
          March 23, 2012

          Damn. Can we remedy that?

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  39. Adrian
    March 22, 2012

    All I can say is I love that the Canucks inspire all the hate and the love and all the general humanity. Yes, they are a good team. I hope a great team…they certainly are on to something.
    I say bring on the vexations from other teams fans posting on here. They are welcome to be angry and hurt and to whine all day. It changes nothing.
    Also, chances are that if you come to a blog primarily favouring one team you might get a slanted point of view…just saying.
    I also think that the Canucks are hated because they are different. They do things differently. They have twin super powers. They have Burrows who for all his 190lbs (obvious exageration!!) is the most driven competitor that can’t beat you up but sure as hell will steal your puck and dazzle you with his big brain and slick hands. They have Kessler who is a bitch but is driven/passionate/willful and can backcheck a competitor into the ice.
    bring on the hate. The Canucks are nothing like you teams. They are unique, they use their brains as much as their brawn. They are uniquely West Coast much like Vancouver is generally as a city.

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  40. Brent
    March 23, 2012

    So here is Kerry Fraser talking about BOTH hits. I like Kerry’s analysis most of the time. Gives us ALL (Canucks and non-Canucks) an unbiased opinion. Short story is Daniel 1 game, Keith 5.

    http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/kerry_fraser/?id=391084

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    • shoes
      March 23, 2012

      kerry tries to be too “right” he was guessing because it was a “phone discipline”. Since been changed and as far as Daniels 1 game, he is wrong, because it doesn’t meet the criteria for suspension in the rulebook, unless somebody considers it a deliberate targeting of the head. If so it was a poor targeting and a very light one.

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  41. shoes
    March 23, 2012

    Glad the NHL has upgraded the “Hissy Fitters” hearing to an in person, BUT it probably means Sedin is out for a while. I am starting to prepare for bad news on the Danny front.
    This hit was the very example of why they made the “deliberate head shot rule”

    because I like Hawks fans in spite of their man-love for Hissy fitter who turtle, I am going to print the NHL’s rule here so that they can see why Daniels hit on Keith was OK and why it was just plain wrong for Keith to blame his retaliatory hit on “tight panties”

    The Head Shot Rule

    The rule is more comprehensive than before. It no longer matters which direction the attacker comes from. The onus is on him to avoid aiming above the opponent’s shoulders.

    But the new wording also places more responsibility on the player receiving the hit. Referees are instructed to consider all circumstances of the incident, including “whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit.”

    Not all contact with the head results in a penalty. Referees must take into account whether “head contact on an otherwise legal body check was unavoidable.”

    A two-minute minor penalty is now in place for an illegal hit to the head. That didn’t exist before: a five-minute major was the minimum penalty. Making the punishment less extreme will hopefully encourage referees to enforce the rule. No ref wants to call a five-minute major unless he has to. But minor penalties are common.

    Rule 48 no longer includes a provision for a 5-minute major or game misconduct. If the referee believes a hit to the head deserves more than two minutes, he can call a match penalty for deliberate attempt to injure.

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    • shoes
      March 23, 2012

      Please tell me that event he most dense of Hawks fans can understand the NHL rule on headshots and see why most in the planet think keith is a turd.

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  42. bennybenben
    March 23, 2012

    I’m all for sticking to Keith – it was a dirty hit with clear intent. But the same logic applies to Sedin, as Harrison writes – he knew it was going to be a physical game and he responded with his hit on Keith. What’s good for the goose…

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  43. Tim K
    March 23, 2012

    I could hardly wait for the whining by Canuck fans for this. So many of you are completely oblivious to the fact that the Canucks are the cheapest, dirties team in the league, led by AV himself a coward among cowards when he played. Keith is not a dirty player, but I don’t blame him one bit for exacting revenge on the hit he received earlier from Sedin. What I especially love is the not unexpected absense of any mention of Burrows’, the biggest coward in the history of the game, groin kneeing of Keith. Adding to his already impressive girly resume of finger biting and hair pulling, isn’t outright shameful to call yourselves hockey fans, a sport of honor, when you openly condone that type of cowardice?

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    • mac n cheese
      March 23, 2012

      I am honored to be the first to offer you my downvote, sir.

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      • Jimmy
        March 23, 2012

        Cowardice? You mean like headhunting an elite player when he’s not looking or nowhere near the puck? Or when this same player turtles on the ice like a little bitch with a skinned knee when he gets what’s coming to him?

        Every example you gave of Burrows’ buffoonery is debatable. The ‘bite’ was because he was getting a hand shoved down his throat, the ‘hair pulling’ was a result of a fish hook he was receiving and this alleged ‘groin to the knee’ didn’t happen. Sorry.
        You’re attempting to justify a dirty play by bringing up the same old tired arguments that everyone else says. Try forming a thought for yourself without listening to what everyone else is saying about the Canucks.
        Btw, attempting to justify what Keith did only makes you look worse. Suck it up, or pretty soon Chicago fans will claim the ‘whiners’ moniker we’ve been carrying for too long.

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    • shoes
      March 23, 2012

      Excellent post Tim K….it fairly drips of Santorum….you know the republican candidate.

      Really man, are you as dense as your writing style indicates or worse?

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    • shoes
      March 23, 2012

      PS Tim K….don’t worry about Duncans “groin” …..he only started to grow a pair after the game was over and he reviewed the tape…..now he is taking his medicine and attempting to recover some of the respect he earned during the cup year. Because not one player in the NHL, with the possible exception of the cabbie beater and the pin-head, think that was a good hit that was deserved.

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  44. Jimmy
    March 23, 2012

    As a diehard Nucks fan, I’m painfully aware of how fickle this fan base can be. After a big win, the fans are planning the parade route and after a couple losses, it’s time to fire AV, trade Lou and begin the rebuild. I don’t know what it’s like in other markets, but I would guess that other passionate fan bases have similar phenomena with their teams. Whatever happened to unwavering support of your team?
    Last years media coverage of the finals was a smear campaign. The Boston media started it, followed closely by Canadian national media who quickly dubbed the Bruins ‘Canada’s team’. Ever since then, it’s as though the Nucks can’t do anything right. They are accused of being soft if they rely on the PP and dirty if they take matters into their own hands. This lose/lose situation is ridiculous and unjustified. The other 29 teams all have at least one player who’s main purpose is to get under the skin of the opposition, but why are the Canucks the only ones who have to apologize for it? I venture a guess as to why this is….because the Canucks are consistently at the top of the standings. They are a really good team. So is it a matter of rival fan bases jumping on the media parade of anti Canucks fan fare? Or is it a collective hate because the Canucks just rolled through your town and beat your team?

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    • WildonVancouver
      March 24, 2012

      I think the rest of the NHL is more put off by the incessant complaining of the officiating (which is not unique to Vancouver, but the sheer amount is); biffs like Bieksa, Burrows, and Lappy who never drop the gloves unless facing an obviously weaker opponent (see Bieksa jumping on Stahlberg last playoffs after refusing to fight John Scott); and the infamous diving by the Sedins who seem to specialize in drawing ghost penalties. I suspect Daniel Sedin was more hurt by flailing dramatically to the ice a second or two after the Keith hit than he was by the elbow itself.

      Let’s also not forget that your fans and media never “own” when the Nucks play dirty — they jump to the players’ defense… Mitchell viciously targeting Toews head. Torres targeting Seabrook’s head at full speed without him touching the puck (clean hit, according to the Sun!). Hamhuis targeting Bolland’s head the day after returning from a lengthy concussion. Burrows pulling hair and kneeing men in the groin (never happened, right?). Bieksa jumping on an unsuspecting Stahlberg (who never fights) unprompted. Now, D. Sedin targeting Keith’s head on a late and blind hit. Etc…

      Do you really think this classless behavior doesn’t encourage other teams to lose their heads — even one of the classiest guys in the NHL and Canada’s national hero, Keith? The difference between Nucks fans/media and the rest of the NHL is that the rest of the NHL (in this case Chicago) “own” when one of their players deserves a suspension.

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  45. Dane C
    April 9, 2012

    Players who cause other players to miss games do to a dirty hits like the hit from Keith should be suspended until the injured player returns to play himself. Why should the dirty player have the privilege to play when the injured player has no choice but to sit out. The injuries caused by questionable hits do to game speed and unforeseen body position should be evaluated on a case by case bases because of the changing variables.

    On that note in this case Sedin should have been penalized for his hit just for the reason of hitting the head of Keith even though it wasn’t intentional it is the rule. Now on the other hand Keith deserves suspension because of his targeting of Sedins head. He went out of his way to make contact with Sedins head which means he wanted to cause harm so he should be punished harshly.

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