On Cory Schneider’s low-maintenance relationship with the Canucks

Cory Schneider is so accommodating he even ducked under our blue info banner. Thanks, buddy.

It’s hard not to think a little less of Cody Hodgson in the wake of agent Ritch Winter’s admission that the rookie centre’s camp was indeed pushing for more icetime prior to the trade deadline deal with Buffalo.

Sure, such requests may “happen all the time in the ordinary course,” as Winter suggests, and perhaps this whole icetime controversy ranks high on the molehill-to-mountain conversion scale, but the mere fact that these discussions have become public knowledge provides a stark contrast to the quiet servitude of Cory Schneider.

We suggested some time ago that Winter may have been fueling some of the Hodgson unrest, but we never for a second thought he’d come flailing out from behind the curtain like he did this past week. Shortly after Mike Gillis’s coyness regarding Hodgson’s desire to be moved, Winter took to Twitter to cure the confusion, only to wind up creating superconfusion. From Iain MacIntyre:

Winter, who refused by email an interview request and said he no longer talks to reporters, tweeted Wednesday: “For the record, Cody Hodgson did not ask for the trade. Like others, he had many meetings with his coaches on his role. Then trade. That’s it.”

But it wasn’t it, as Winter also said: “Team had different goals than Cody,” which means Hodgson had different goals than the team. In response to a fan’s question, Winter admitted: “Now we did ask for more ice time.”.

That deliciously muddy selection of quotes fed the news cycle right into the weekend and, considering this blog post is going up the following Tuesday, well beyond. What did Winter mean when he said the team’s goals were different from Cody’s? In what world could Hodgson, a rookie, have felt it was even appropriate for his goals to differ from the reigning Presidents’ Trophy winners and Western Conference champions?

The whole saga paints a striking picture of a high-maintenance player, which is what Eric Francis claims spelled Cody’s end in Vancouver:

Those in Vancouver scratching their heads over the Cody Hodgson deal need to know a few things. Hodgson was a high-maintenance player, who was seen as a potential distraction in a room singularly focused on one thing — the Stanley Cup… The Canucks culture is one where players have sacrificed money and icetime to do what’s best for the team.

This isn’t intended to be a smear campaign against Hodgson, who may simply be suffering from an agent who could use a crash course in the social media he feels better represents him than the media (it doesn’t). But Hodgson’s attitude, at least as it’s now been presented to us, is pretty glaring, especially when contrasted with fellow glass ceiling-banger Cory Schneider, whose relationship with the Canucks is the epitome of low-maintenance.

Like Hodgson, Schneider is a former first round pick and, at 25, he’s 4 years older. At that age, he has even more reason to be feeling impatient about when his star turn will come. Provided he plays until he’s 35, which itself is no guarantee, his professional career is already one-third through. And, like Hodgson, considering the depth chart in Vancouver, he’s never going to get beyond role player status unless a core player is moved out.

Yet, even with a year’s head start on Hodgson, we’ve never heard a word of discontent from Schneider’s camp.

(Of course, according to Winter, we may not have actually heard what we heard regarding Hodgson either, because he neither did nor didn’t say the things he went on the record as saying. And then not saying. I heard he wears a newspaper pirate hat at all times, although he’s officially not speaking to the media — except for when he does — so I can’t verify or refute that. I guess I’ll have to wait until he inadvertently tweets a photo, then denies he did so.)

By remaining quiet and employing an agent sage enough to do the same, Schneider has afforded the Canucks the luxury of being unbelievably patient with him. Gillis has taken full advantage of this luxury for years too, standing pat and rebuffing calls to trade the young goaltender when his value was supposedly at its highest. And if it wasn’t enough to afford such patience, Schneider has also rewarded it, playing well enough to spike his value all the more.

As I said last week, Schneider would be a desirable upgrade to nearly half of the NHL’s teams, and the market for his services just keeps growing. One assumes the way he’s handled his dealings with the Canucks organization factors into that as well.

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62 comments

  1. Zach Morris
    March 6, 2012

    even when he’s gone, I will still be a Cory Schneider fan.

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  2. Warpstone
    March 6, 2012

    Bingo.

    The problem with Cody is that even if he gets leeway for being a cuddly nerd, he’s still ultimately responsible for this “camp” we keep hearing about.

    He’s 21 and he’s basically won himself a ticket out of town under the cover of “my dad and agent made me do it.”

    C’mon. The majority of players who try to leave a winning team to satisfy personal goals (contract/ice time) catch a fair amount of flak. Even worse, Cody does this in hist first full year on the team? Is anyone seriously going to tell me that this doesn’t count as high-maintenance?

    Alex Burrows is earning $2 million a year. That’s way under market value and that’s largely because this is his chance to win a Stanley Cup. Kesler, Bieksa, etc. have all worked contracts to the betterment of the club because they see the window they have. How could Hodgson be blind to this? Why is he given a free-ride for being the only sore thumb on an otherwise incredibly tight team? Even Keith Ballard sucks it up and he’s got far more grounds for a grievance than Cody.

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    • Chris the Curmudgeon
      March 6, 2012

      Cody Hodgson is a 21 year old rookie. It is foolish to compare him to a seasoned veteran on a long term contract with full bargaining rights. I’m not saying I condone the actions of his agent, simply that this so-called drama has been overblown from day one. Can Mike Gillis honestly say that, in all his years as a player agent, he never lobbied for a bigger role on a team for one of his clients who did not, in fact, wish to be traded or to disrupt the team’s chemistry?

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    • steviewire
      March 6, 2012

      He was not given a free ride. He was traded.

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  3. RG
    March 6, 2012

    But, but, but, can we keep him!?

    =(

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  4. cableguymike
    March 6, 2012

    “Gillis has taken full advantage of this luxury for years too, standing pat and rebuffing calls to trade the young goaltender when his value was supposedly at its highest.”

    If the Canucks find a way to win the Cup this year his value will never be higher than this offseason. *fingers crossed*

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    • Steven Ray Orr
      March 6, 2012

      Tap wood.

      Turn around three times. Then spit. Or curse. Actually, spit AND curse.

      And go find a rabbit and rub it.

      Cup talk! SHESH!

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  5. CanuckFanInSF
    March 6, 2012

    Oh, how I love me some Gingerbricks. :(

    Since the beginning of the season, I was already resigned to the fact that he will not be with us after the trade deadline. My acceptance is akin to that of Greg Wyshynski who is slowly coming to terms with Zach Parise no longer being a Devil next season. But lo and behold, he’s still here!

    I admired the way Cory handled the so-called “goalie controversy” in Vancouver. You know he could have made things really bad by saying something off (ala Luongo) about the situation but he didn’t. You can see that he agrees with the team goal and that is forging ahead to win the Stanley Cup, at all costs. I always say this, I am a hockey fan first and a Canucks fan second. So, when (yeah, not ‘if’) Cory leaves, he still has a fan in me. :)

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  6. Chicky
    March 6, 2012

    Cory is the epitome of what class in a player should BE. He’s awesome, he’s a good interviewer too. :)

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  7. Peanutflower
    March 6, 2012

    Pure class. Will be really sorry to see him leave. Cory deserves the ultimate best and I guess I will have to also cheer for whatever team he ends up on. Within reason, of course.

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    • Chicky
      March 6, 2012

      If he ends up in Boston, there’s a good chance I’d flip a pool or 7

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      • RG
        March 6, 2012

        Competing with Rask for #1? I don’t think so. I think Philly or Tampa or somebody with a decent team in front of a horrid goaltender.

        Or maybe we can trade him for Toronto’s first round picks for the next 6 years? They’re good at dealing away first rounders.

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        • Steven Ray Orr
          March 6, 2012

          Unless Boston got rid of Thomas. Then we could see a Schneider/Rask tandem.

          I’d flip a pool too, but I can’t stop thinking that this is a possibility.

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          • RG
            March 6, 2012

            How many years do you think Tim Thomas has left? The Bruins already know Rask is the ‘tender of their future.

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  8. Canuckles
    March 6, 2012

    I REALLY want to keep Schneider.

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    • Nick
      March 6, 2012

      No one knows for sure if Schneider will stay or not.

      Lots of fans will claim that they know with absolute certainty that Luongo is staying.

      But Gillis plays his cards close to his vest, has been pretty shrewd and creative so far about trades … and, if Roberto has a few “collapse” games in the playoffs that causes the team to get knocked out, the “Cory is 100% gone” fans may have it wrong.

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  9. JustSayin'
    March 6, 2012

    If there is chat about lowering the cap space next season due to the CBA, it would make sense to move Lu. Given the issues around a lack of really good goaltenders in the NHL it wouldn’t be hard to move him. Toronto, I’m sure would only be too happy to scoop him up and Lu likely would like to move on from Vancouver, who has never had a great relationship with the fans here. Really, with cap space of $5,330 per season, this is a good deal for a goalie of his talent. Yes, he is challenged in the playoffs, but can certainly get a team there. Hopefully, he’ll overcome his playoff issues, just as he did at the Olympics.

    Other goalies go through tough times, but Lu gets it from all sides when he experiences troubles. He has been playing brilliantly, has one bad game and everyone’s all over him. He seems to have learned from last year too, he’s taking responsibility for when he plays poorly and not getting defensive. He’s handled the goalie controversy very diplomatically too.

    Anyway, hopefully the Canucks will keep Schneider and trade Lu, which I think is very doable.

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    • Steven Ray Orr
      March 6, 2012

      Lu’s cap hit is $5.3m a year. For a goaltender of his caliber that is not outrageous. It is in the same ballpark as a handful of others (Thomas, Fleury, Kiprusoff, Miller, Bryzgalov, Brodeur, Lundqvist, Hiller). It would not surprise me to hear that Schneider will get offers close to that number ($4-4.5m?) from a team that thinks he could be a franchise goalie.

      Would it be worth giving up a known star goaltender that is capable of playing an entire season and relying entirely on a hot prospect that we have not really tested, just to save $1.5m cap space? (And that’s on the assumption that Schneider wouldn’t get an Erhoff-sized contract from some desperate team).

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      • Warpstone
        March 6, 2012

        It’s a good point. When you consider the contribution to the team, Lou’s $5.3m hit is pretty good.

        I don’t think Schneider gets less than $4m on the market. The problem is that it’s not an open market unless he gets offer sheets. But even then, I can’t see any reason why the Canucks, Schneider and a suitor can’t do a sign+trade deal to accommodate all three parties.

        Realistically, $9m tied up in your goalies is doable, but I doubt Schneider would want it. It’s time for him to get paid and the full-time gig somewhere. Besides, the Canucks could certainly put any remaining cap money they have into another much-needed right-handed blueliner.

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      • superreggie
        March 6, 2012

        Really, aren’t good goalies undervalued? They play the whole game, and have way more of an impact than the captains of most teams. Even Pittsburgh can lose SidtheKid and still be a contender. They also seem to be generally less prone to injury than star forwards/defensemen. I think Luongo’s worth the money.

        Having a strong goalie is a great way to give flexibility to how you evolve your lines, and allows rookies to make mistakes.

        And why can’t we keep them both? Really, we’d get a lot for Shneids, but would it really be worth it? I think having two great goalies is the reason the Canucks are on top, and why they’ve gotten away with some shaky stretches.

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        • J21
          March 6, 2012

          Good goaltenders aren’t really undervalued because there are so many of them and only 60 goalie spots in the NHL. To take your Pittsburgh example, I have no doubt that if Fleury went down long term, the Penguins could get a goaltender who could bring, let’s say, 90-95% of what he does. In pure, relative goalie terms, that may be a pretty significant difference (because the difference from top to bottom in the NHL isn’t as vast as many fans make it out to be). But in absolute impact on the team, I’ll bet the much bigger concern would be cap management and the assets surrendered to acquire the replacement, not the fact that the replacement isn’t Marc-André Fleury.

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    • stathead
      March 6, 2012

      Toronto would be happy to sign him up, but I don’t think they’re any gentler with their goalies in Toronto than we are in Vancouver, if you look at what’s been happening there lately.

      If we kept Schneider and traded Lu, then once Schneider’s new-toy gloss has worn off & he’s had a few shaky streaks, people would start mourning the loss of Luongo, saying Schneider never lived up to his early promise, and saying that like Luongo he’s way too expensive. (You guys know he’d need a big raise with the way he’d been playing, yes?)

      People who assume that Schneider is better for the Canucks than Luongo also often seem to assume that he would be paid less, which hardly seems fair to poor Schneids.

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  10. jackpotpunk
    March 6, 2012

    Is it truly a given that we will lose Corey? I remember Tortorella saying during the 24/7 series something along the lines that todays Cup Winning goalies play around 60 games a year. Its going to be tough in this league to make playoffs when you put 40 points on the line with a weak second string.

    Does this not suggest that the idea of a “number one” is becoming obsolete? Could we not start seeing GM’s trying to build solid goalie tandems as a foundation of winning teams?

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    • Harrison Mooney
      March 6, 2012

      That’s a very good question, man. Defs worth a beard stroke.

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    • Amor de Cosmos
      March 6, 2012

      I don’t think it’s a given we’d lose Schneider, but keeping Luongo too would require major creativity with the salary cap. There are a bunch of UFAs up coming the season after next including Burrows and Edler who’ll expect — and deserve — significant increases. I suppose if Sami goes at the end of this year, and Pahlsson too then it would free up a decent amount of space but we could kiss off the established right-side defenseman everyone’s looking for.

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  11. zach
    March 6, 2012

    I know this article is about Schneider and not Hodgson but…Not so sure what I would be doing if I were Cody Hodgson right now. Seems to be some mismanagement going on by the Player Agent… every time Winters speaks to someone of the media he ends up shedding Hodgson in a more unfavorable light than a favorable one. There was absolutely zero need for Winters to retort anything back at Gillis. His job is to make the life of his players easier, not rant about media does this, media does that, my client didn’t ask for anything – and then come out and say, well yah actually he did, and his former GM is a bum. To me, the guy seems like he is all ego. Cody you deserve better.

    and on a side note, Schneider is awesome.

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  12. cathylu
    March 6, 2012

    I love Cory. :) When he leaves there will be big crocodile tears shed in our house.

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    • Chris the Curmudgeon
      March 6, 2012

      You might wish to look up the meaning of “crocodile tears”…

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      • RG
        March 6, 2012

        Agreed. Cathy Lu, you better shed real tears. And they better be accompanied by a good ugly cry.

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  13. Chris the Curmudgeon
    March 6, 2012

    I think the prediction of a “career over by age 35″ is a little bit of an oversimplification. Cory Schneider is probably prolonging his career right now. By playing fewer games early on, he stands a better chance of maintaining his health later into his career. As it is, many elite goaltenders stay on until a later age. The position is by no means easy on the body, but goalies tend to face fewer shoulder and knee injuries (as a result of injuries absorbed from bodychecking and skating) which derail the careers of many position players. And the drop off in speed and strength that accompany the inevitable decline aren’t quite as important for a position that relies more on reflexes and savvy.

    Patrick Roy entered the league as a teenager, and lasted until he was 37. Hasek, Belfour and CuJo all played into their 40′s. On a more current note, Martin Brodeur and Khabibulin are 39, and Thomas will be in a few months, Roloson’s finally looking done at the age of 42. Vokoun, Kiprusoff, Theodore and Nabokov are all 35-plus and still plenty solid. I think by playing less now, Cory Schneider will set himself up nicely to extend his career in the future. I think it’s actually a decent situation: play out your early career contract years while showing everyone just how awesome you are, but without sustaining any injuries or overtaxing your body. Be beloved in a hockey crazy city on a team with a legitimate chance at a Stanley Cup, and when you do leave, face no ill will from anyone as you move into a better-paying contract without nearly the mileage most goalies would have at that time.

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  14. Brian
    March 6, 2012

    I think we all appreciate Corey’s team first attitude and patience but I am a little surprised Harrison that you seem to agree with the quote “Hodgson was a high-maintenance player”. I understand that he asked for more ice time but its not like he did so in a public way. The only reason we have heard about it is of the way his agent has handled this situation. Two weeks ago I doubt I would see you using this quote in a blog without following it up with a hilarious and realistic rebuttal. Not once this whole season have we heard anything from Cody about his ice time other than his team first approach, only now after this trade we hear that he requested more ice time. For all we know Corey has been complaining behind closed doors that he deserves more starts, we won’t know until after he has left most likely because he is a solid guy I agree. So is Cody, he handled this situation the right way by not going to the media but by playing hard and talking to his management in private. I hope Cody all the best in Buffalo and applaud Gillis for making a bold move, but please lets be realistic here Cody is no Heatley in demanding a trade lets not make him out to be.

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    • Steven Ray Orr
      March 6, 2012

      I think the high-maintenance issue stands, regardless of the publicity. If Hodgson was making a fuss privately to AV or GMMG, he is still deserving of the label, because it takes focus away from the other priorities of our Coach and GM.

      He may not have been ripped from the cast of Clueless, but privately high-maintenance is still high-maintenance.

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      • Brian
        March 6, 2012

        I think its a little simplistic to take that approach because we don’t know what kind of conversations are happening behind closed doors and I’m not going to make a judgement on any player or person because of what I heard was said , I can only make judgements on how a person conducts himself/herself. If tomorrow an article comes out about Trevor Linden never wanting to come back and play for Vancouver after being traded away, it wouldn’t change my perception of him because I appreciate the way he represented himself here when he was here.

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    • Harrison Mooney
      March 6, 2012

      Typically, we rebut stories that are made out of nothing or seem unfair based on what we know. In this case, we’re getting an inside look at things from Hodgson’s agent, who is either badly misrepresenting his client or representing him fairly, which would reflect just as poorly on him.

      When Gillis was simply coy with his answer, this wasn’t a story, and had it been the only thing people were going on, we’d have raged. But the moment Winter weighed in, Hodgson began to look bad. As I said in the post, this may not be fair to him, but contrasted with Schneider, about whom we never anything, it certainly stands out. That’s all I’m saying.

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      • stathead
        March 6, 2012

        I’m really glad you wrote the article. Schneider is much appreciated in Vancouver, but hasn’t been given enough credit for his team-player attitude.

        Also, I can’t wait for the huge manifesto with obscure literary references that may well come out weeks after we’ve forgotten all about this post. I wonder if it will be written in green ink on paper with no margins?

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  15. Brent
    March 6, 2012

    “Of course, according to Winter, we may not have actually heard what we heard regarding Hodgson either, because he neither did nor didn’t say the things he went on the record as saying. And then not saying. ”

    AWESOME! In this context anyway. If one of my students game me this I would eviscerate them.

    This is just another one of the reasons I like the trade. Sad Cody was eventually going to have a negative effect in the dressing room.

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    • Brian
      March 6, 2012

      “This is just another one of the reasons I like the trade. Sad Cody was eventually going to have a negative effect in the dressing room.”

      I just don’t understand this line of thinking, he didn’t appear to have a negative effect on the dressing room when he was here, what is the point of vilifying him? Has he really been gone so long that you forget about his contributions? Don’t get me wrong I am beginning to like this trade more and more but it has nothing to do with Cody and everything to do with Zack.

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      • Steven Ray Orr
        March 6, 2012

        Can’t argue with that.

        Zack is very pretty.

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      • Brent
        March 6, 2012

        Could just be another rationalization on my part. But the reality is both his agent and his Dad sound like they are …shall we say…somewhat difficult. Even if Cody was a stand-up guy in the dressing room (seems like it with the throwing tape video) that sort of stuff will eventually filter down to him like a light mist from the Fukushima nuclear reactor.

        I really liked Cody’s contribution and hope he does great in Buffalo. This is likely a good trade for both teams.

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  16. Prophet
    March 6, 2012

    I argue that we sign Corey to a long term contract for market value, at maybe 3M?. That’s an extra $2M in additional cap hit. The would bump the total cap hit for goaltending up to around $8.5M, which the same as a couple of D-men.

    How much return are we actually getting for that cap hit? Without doing the Drance number crunching, would it be fair to say that the goaltending tandem has stolen at the very minimum (we’re talking of the highway robbery variety here) FIVE games for the Canucks where we had absolutely no business earning a point? And can we find another FIVE games where the goaltenders kept the Canucks in the game in those second periods where the boys have come back to tie or win? That’s 15 to 20 points in the standings that is the difference if we had below average to average goaltending. Where would the Canucks be if we were 20 pts back in the standings? That’s right, fighting for the final spot to make the playoffs.

    The Canucks have enough talent to beat most teams when two thirds of the skakers are on their game and they get solid goaltending, which currently seems be over 90% of the time. We can win games with regularity with the Sedins not putting up a pile of points, but that’s only when the goaltending tandem is keeping the score close most of the time. They are a huge factor enabling the Canucks to score first 80% of the time, and the Canucks so far haven’t lost both points going into a third period with a lead. However, as we have seen, no amount of talent can regularly pull a team from being 3 goals down after one.

    Saving $2-3M to throw in an average backup who will steal far less games than Corey, and push Luo to play 60+ games and then a long playoff run with no insurance is risky and stupid. I think Luo and Corey should share the work 50/30 for Luo, eventually shifting to 50 starts for Corey in five years. Ego should have no place on a contender, or Luo can pick a place where he would like to be traded.

    If the Canucks were to just to shed Raymond’s cap hit, they could already afford to pay Corey his market value. Put it another way, we could sign this guy for the cumulative “home town discounts” our star players have sacrificed to play for a contender. Having two starting goalies of the current calibre MAKES us contenders for the next 5+ years.

    Goaltending is the most important position in the game because if that one guy front of the net is having a real bad outing, the other 22 guys can’t likely pull out the win even if they are all playing 100%. We can all rattle off names of a dozen forwards and D-men with $7M+ cap hits who aren’t even close to contributing to the bottom line of their teams’ success.

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    • Steven Ray Orr
      March 6, 2012

      The wildcard in this situation is Schneider’s worth to a desperate team and his willingness to play second-fiddle.

      That said, you aren’t a crazy-person and I hope that GMMG can make this happen.

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    • VanFan85
      March 6, 2012

      Well Said Prophet but SRO makes a valid point. I 100% agree with you that it would be a great management decision to burn the extra 1.5M-2M on keeping Schneider for all the reasons you listed but it all depends on what Cory wants to do. If he is ok with playing 30/50 and slowly transitioning to 50/30 over the next 5 years than as far as I’m concerned it should be a done deal. But if he isnt going to be happy with that then it would be wise to move him because we all know there is a GM (or multiple GM’s) out there licking their chops at the chance to get this guy and I can imaging there are going to be a couple of rediculous offers. GMMG has to sit down with Cory and have an open an honest discussion about his future with the frnachise and what each party want/expects long term and basically lay it out on the line for him. At that point it becomes as simple as “Yes, I want to stay” or “No, I want to move on” . As respectful as Schneider has been through this whole “controversy” I hope that GMMG will show him the same respect and be honest and open with him .

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      • Amor de Cosmos
        March 6, 2012

        If we were to keep Luongo and Schneider what happens to Eddie Lack, who some think has the chance to be as good or better than either of them? I mean it’s an enviable position to be in but we can’t just keep stockpiling goalkeeping talent forever. I think, in the summer, one of them must go it’s just a question of who, where and for how much.

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        • VanFan85
          March 6, 2012

          Eddie Lack stays in the Minors for a few more years and awaits the opportunity to move up to the big club when either Luongo or Schnieder move on. And yes the Canucks can stock pile goalies just as they stockpile dmen and forwards. Procuring for the future is key to long term success without having to go through the blow-up rebuild cycle. Players – especially young players – who come into this organization know that they will have to be patient and pay their dues and earn a spot on the team or wait until a spot becomes available before they get thier shot. It’s the team first mentality, this organization is slowly setting itself up for long term success and if players want to be a part of it, they will have to understand that they will play the role they are given, and if they don’t like that role they can leave (see: Hodgson, Cody). If Vancouver keeps both Schnieder and Luongo then Lack will have a few more years to develop in the minors knowing that if he stays patient and waits it out he will eventually get a shot on the big club.

          Put it into a personal perspective. You are hired right out of college by a highly successful business. They train you well, allow you to develop your skills and set you on the path for success. After a few years you know you have the skills to be in a higher position but all those positions are filled by some real great employees who are really the best at what they do. Do you get impatient and say “I want to be promoted or Im leaving” and try the greener grass on the other side or do you bide your time learning from those who are in the position you want, and take in as much as you can knowing that one day you will perfectly suited for the job when it finally becomes available. Along the way other companies will recognize your talent and offer you a substantial raise. Do you take the pay raise and leave only to find that the grass isnt always greener on the other side and the difference in the success (or lack of) in the new company was not worth the extra money. Or do you stick around playing a smaller roll because working for a successful company with great people is worth more than any amount of money and you know that one day you will get your shot.

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          • Amor de Cosmos
            March 6, 2012

            Well sure but my career as a widget exec is likely to be several decades longer than that of an NHL goalie, the clock’s ticking for all these guys. Lack is less than two years younger than Schneider, at some point decisions have to be made. If Schneider and Luongo are going to split the season on a full-time basis then Lack’s opportunities of growing with the club have two major roadblocks and I don’t think playing the “this is a great organisation, just be patient” card is going to work. In fact, as a coach and manager, I don’t think I’d want a player who was content to just kick back and be a time-server in the AHL until my time came around. I’d want someone with a burning desire to play at the top level.

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    • Prophet
      March 6, 2012

      Good points, guys. GMMG’s job got a lot harder the moment he penned Luo to a the monster no trade contract.
      He can still offer the same money and the multiple kicks at winning a Cup. The only thing that the Canucks can’t offer is 60 or 70 starts. It depends on what Corey wants, but he’s a smart guy and he has to realize that he’s already 25 and not really going to set any all time records for starts, saves, etc. This could still be his team in 5 years and hopefully with already a Cup or two under his belt. I know how any NHL player has to say (at least on camera) that he wants to play every game and help the team win, blah, blah, but 99% of us lazy schmoes would rather get paid the same in a cushy job working for a good company. Wouldn’t you like to work 3 days a week rather than 5 for the same money and your performance is only measured on what you do while you are on the job? In addition, it means no back to back starts, and already playing fresh. I don’t know of any human being that produces higher quality work (over the long term) when overworked. That’s the pitch GMMG should be sticking with. It’s also no fun standing on your head playing top fiddle for a bottom feeding team that doesn’t regularly makes the playoffs. It’s also likely that Corey’s backup on his new team won’t be of star calibre so he’s going to have to take more flak (because it’s always the starting goaltender that gets most of the blame).

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    • stathead
      March 6, 2012

      $3million as market value for Schneider sounds like wishful thinking to me, with the way he’s been playing.

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  17. Prophet
    March 6, 2012

    Anyway, my analysis is more feelgood than likely to be reality. If we win the Cup this year and Corey has some part in it, he’s going to fetch an obscene return.

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    • Nick
      March 6, 2012

      If we win the cup this year, Luongo would also fetch a good return.

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  18. Nick
    March 6, 2012

    There’s a good chance that Schneider will be going to the Olympics with the US squad to back up Miller and Quick … particularly if Nonis is again helping Burke pick the squad.

    And there’s also a good chance that Luongo will not be going in 2014.

    Roberto will be almost 35 and we’ll probably see Fleury or Ward or Price.

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  19. Matt
    March 6, 2012

    “Winter, who refused by email an interview request and said he no longer talks to reporters”

    Wait, isn’t this the same guy who wrote a 12,000 word rant because Pass it to Bulis didn’t ask him for a comment?

    He seems like an obnoxious, self-centred, hypocritical boob.

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    • Chris the Curmudgeon
      March 6, 2012

      This Cody Hodgson “drama” seems reminiscent of a lot of cases where the agent (who has considerable skin in the game himself) has screwed over their client with bad advice. Cody’s not as extreme of an example, but has anyone ever heard of a baseball player named Matt Harrington? Wouldn’t be surprising if you hadn’t, but he’s a guy who was drafted as high as 7th overall (and was chosen in the MLB draft 5 separate times), but because his agent was too greedy, he never signed a contract, even when he was offered a $4 million signing bonus. Now he changes tires at Costco. You put your trust in someone, especially as a young and fairly naive player coming, and their actions while in your trust can affect you a great deal. I’m just not ready to consider CoHo, whose entire hockey life up to now has been defined by winning and leadership, as a self-important prima donna based on the words and actions of the professional hustler representing him.

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    • stathead
      March 6, 2012

      It’s better than that… he wrote this rant where he bewailed and condemned not having been contacted by the “reporters” who wrote the speculative post (whom he does not understand to be not reporters but bloggers, maybe because he stopped reading the “Vancouver Sun Sports Blogs” link at the top of their homepage halfway through).

      Then IN the rant he annoucnced that he would not be talking to reporters anymore, ever.

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  20. thankgoodnesswestillhaveschneider
    March 6, 2012

    It is a bit insulting to Schneider to say that he would be an upgrade to less than half of the other teams in the league. I think that he should be a desirable upgrade to most other teams.

    Canucks should keep him at all costs. As a natural leader and elite goalie, he is my first choice for number one goalie.

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  21. Doug Macdonald
    March 6, 2012

    What a gutless article. Sure the team should come first, but to suggest Hodgson should sit and watch an overrated player like Kesler play all those minutes is ridiculous- he does have more offensive upside than Kesler and deserves to be a second line player- albeit Kesler might be a better fit for the Canucks- the proof will be in the numbers in the last part of the season. As for Schneider- if he blows his knee out tomorrow, he’ll wish he asked for a trade and made the money while he could. Moral of story, Kesler is overrated, Schneider better get a cup for his loyalty and Cody is in the right place.

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    • Nick
      March 6, 2012

      @ Doug M
      Kessler is a pretty impressive player.

      Remember the Olympic tournament when he put the US team on his back on brought them to OT in the gold medal game? Remember last season’s Nashville playoff series in which he was an absolute monster and carried the team to victory. Barry Trotz, Nashville coach, said afterwards that he’d never seen a better performance in all his years in hockey.

      And you’re suggesting that the Canucks blew it because they didn’t make Cody Hodgson the #2 centre and push Kessler to 3rd line minutes?

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      • Brent
        March 6, 2012

        Nice post Nick. Stupid post Doug!

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      • VanFan85
        March 7, 2012

        Don’t forget about that Selke trophy he won last year – by the largest margin in NHL history.

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  22. Anonymous
    March 6, 2012

    Eric Francis is terrible. Just putting that out there.

    Good post, I appreciate Schneids so much and I will miss him terribly. Two great goalies, feels good man.

    Marc Crawford was on the TEAM 1040 recently and he mentioned that the Sedins and their agent had multiple meetings about ice-time during their rookie season. What is PITB’s thoughts on that?

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  23. akidd
    March 7, 2012

    funny, when i sum up coho’s stay with the canucks i don’t really think of cody as the one that was high maintenance.

    instead when i look at the give and take of cody and the canucks’ relationship i would venture that the take was more on the canucks’ side. coho was on top of the junior hockey world when he checked in with his employer in 2009. things went into a bit of a tail spin pretty soon after that.

    after an already grueling season for coho the canucks thought it might be a good idea to tack on another long playoff run with the moose for good measure. then cody got injured under canuck watch, doing canuck training when i’m guessing he should have been resting after what i believe was 100 plus games that year. then he was misdiagnosed by canuck doctors which cost him about a year. then the canuck coach inferred that coho was using his injury as an excuse. none of these steps are included in “a dummy’s guide to managing blue-chip prospects,” i believe.

    i think the canucks scr@wed up coho’s development royally and the kid made it back in a large part to help he got away from the canucks(gary roberts.) i wouldn’t be surprised if cody’s people demanded a trade 2 years ago(and who could blame them) but gillis insisted that he recoup first round value.

    i just think it’s a bit funny to be writing this article about all cody’s shortcomings vis-a-vis his relationship with management and not mention the vis-versa.and even if this is just about ‘pitb vs winters’ coho is taking some collateral damage here. and you guys still seem committed to just one side of the argument.

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  24. Chad Reimer
    March 7, 2012

    Q: “In what world could Hodgson, a rookie, have felt it was even appropriate for his goals to differ from the reigning Presidents’ Trophy winners and Western Conference champions?”

    A: In the world of Eric Lindros.

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  25. Grant
    March 7, 2012

    Was this an article about Schneider or Winter or Hodson? Winter has clearly lost his edge. Hodgson had his peak year this year. Schneider? He’s still on the way up.

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