Is Cory Schneider the new number one? Jack Edwards sure seems to think so

I worked in retail for five years, so I speak from experience (and deep emotional scarring) when I say that Boxing Day is the worst. It’s not just the long and frenzied day, either — it’s the day before, when the dread begins to settle in. Basically, if you have to work Boxing Day, Christmas is ruined because everything after lunch is mental preparation for tomorrow’s rumble.

I thought of this when Alain Vigneault announced that Cory Schneider was getting the start versus the Chicago Blackhawks, explaining that the decision was made before the All-Star break because Roberto Luongo, unlike Schneider, has a family. Some people scoffed, but it made sense to me. In effect, Luongo was able to enjoy his full vacation because he didn’t have to begin the mental prepwork before he left. As a Boxing Day survivor, this made sense to me, and as a Canuck fan that has witnessed Luongo burn out emotionally, it made even more sense to ensure his restful family time was as restful as possible.

Still, many read Vigneault’s decision very differently.

NESN’s Jack Edwards, for instance, took that and the fact that Schneider got the start in Boston and jumped to the absurd conclusion that Frecklesnoot was the Canucks’ starting goalie in the playoffs. He espoused this zany theory on Wednesday’s Marek vs. Wyshynski podcast:

If you’re violently opposed to listening to audio files, here’s what he said:

I think that when push comes to shove, it’s gonna be Cory Schneider’s job. You look at how Cory Schneider did against the Bruins in what was just a street-fight — that was a knife fight of a hockey game — and who knows what would have happened if Lucic hadn’t been thrown out four minutes in, but as it warrants, Vancouver won the game. It was an incredibly emotional, up-and-down game and Schneider played well enough to win it. [Tuesday] night, if Schneider’s not in that game, that’s 5-1 in regulation, right?

Is it really all about resting Roberto Luongo? Isn’t there a pattern there if, when you’re playing Chicago in a pretty important emotional game coming out of the All-Star break, that Schneider gets the start? When you’re playing in Boston — your one and only shot against a team that deprived you of the dream of everyone in the franchise — that you rest Roberto Luongo? It doesn’t add up.

One of the reasons it doesn’t add up is that Edwards is doing math where there is none to be done. He only has two examples, they’re two regular-season games in a schedule of 82, and there are no more or fewer points on the line than the other 80. In short, there’s not much here.

Maybe he’d have more examples if Schneider started more often, but, like most backups, his starts are infrequent. The Chicago game was his first in 21 days and only the third in the month of January.

Furthermore, while both Boston and Chicago were big games, it’s not like Schneider’s getting all the big games all of a sudden. Tuesday was the third time the Canucks have played the Blackhawks this season, and Schneider and Luongo only split the other two because Luongo was hurt for one of them.

And is a game versus Chicago really less important than Thursday’s game versus the Conference-leading Red Wings, a Roberto Luongo start? Schneider got one controversial start and Edwards extrapolated that into full-fledged wackiness.

But clearly we’ve reached a unique point in the Highlander-esque saga involving Schneider, Luongo, and the fact that there can only be one starting goalie. Basically, this controversy, which I’ve dubbed “The Redhead and the Redheaded Stepchild”, reaches a fever pitch every single time Schneider plays a game, let alone plays well.

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23 comments

  1. Melissa
    February 2, 2012

    Talk about reading the tea leaves. I don’t understand why fans and media alike are even giving Jack Edwards any credit and worrying about what HE thinks about the Canucks; I would be more worried if John Shorthouse or one of the regulars that broadcast Canucks start talking about Cory in this vein and honestly, Canucks fans should just ignore Jack. Its not worth the effort to think about what other broadcasters that broadcast other teams games think. I just wish the media would stop making up stories where there aren’t any; its annoying. Just enjoy the ride and only report if there is a true problem in goal.

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  2. Dave Robinson (@dcrwrites)
    February 2, 2012

    No, Schneider is #35, Luongo is #1 – he should learn to read the jerseys. :)

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  3. Kent from NucksMisconduct
    February 2, 2012

    HOW DARE YOU CAST A DOUBT UPON THE WISDOM OF COACH EDWARDS??? Where’s your ring, Mooney? HUH??? Oh, and SISTERS!!!! FREE MArCHAND!

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    • Nee
      February 2, 2012

      I think people missed your sarcasm Kent.

      The world really needs a sarcasm font.

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  4. Gord R
    February 2, 2012

    Harrison, I can’t believe you’re citing Jack Edwards on this…yes, I know you disagree with him, which is correct…but I just can not believe how much I keep hearing this blowhard’s name come up. The reality of the matter is that Jack Edwards has seen this team play 60 minutes of hockey in person this season…and likely only about a half a dozen others on TV. To put that in perspective, it’s like John Shorthouse claiming to have some higher insight on the struggles of the Tampa Bay Lightning. It amazes me that he was even asked the question, but they were obviously looking for an incendiary response, and that’s what they got. I hope this is the last we hear of Jack Edwards’ ridiculous opinions on anything to do with this hockey team.
    P.S. “who knows what would have happened had Lucic not been improperly thrown out four minutes in”…yeah Jack, who knows what would have happened had Sami Salo been able to finish the game…who knows what would have happened had Mason Raymond’s broken back at LEAST draw a two minute penalty…who knows what would have happened had Aaron Rome not been given one of the most overdone suspensions in league history, decimating an already thin blueline against the biggest forward group in the league? We get that the game was a war, and had some contentious moments, but for god’s sake, it was almost a month ago, get over it and quit throwing crap like that in there insinuating that we had no right to win that game.
    In closing, I despise Bostonians so much these days that I’m having to resort for cheering for one of those Manning inbreds in the Superbowl. Oh well.

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    • Jon
      February 2, 2012

      them manning inbreds be good at football i says

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    • Mike
      February 2, 2012

      I cannot believe how much I’ve turned on Boston as a city. They really are the worst winners I’ve ever seen. I mean, it’s justifiable (albeit arguable) to call Vancouver fans the worst losers of all time, but never have I seen a city be so deplorable as champions. It’s no wonder Jack-o reads Boston newspapers just to get his back up over ridiculous Red Sox Nation. Having started reading the Sports Guy in 2000, I have enjoyed cheering for Boston teams as they’ve overcome hurdles and won champtionships. There was something neat about it. Of course, I swore I would never cheer for the Bruins over the Canucks, so when that match-up actually happened, I was not tempted in the least. After the past 8 months, I can’t stand the city or its fans. They are deplorable!

      (Quick caveat – I am not speaking of all of Boston or all of their fans. I am sure something like 30-40% of them are great. I hate being lumped in as a “Vancouverite” and a “Canuck fan” with those losers that torched our city and act just as juvenile and conspiratorial as the worst Boston has to offer. I’m not one of “them” so I don’t presume to lump all Bostonians in with those of whom I speak herein.)

      Back to the matter at hand – who to cheer for this weekend. Argggh! Foxboro is closer to RI than Boston. I like Family Guy. I hate the Giants. I’m still going Patriots. (gritted teeth)

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  5. Mark in Steveston
    February 2, 2012

    Why are we listening to Jack Edwards, and giving anything he says about the Canucks the slightest attention? Do Boston fans/media hang on Gary Valk’s every word?

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  6. Brett
    February 2, 2012

    Jack Edwards is a god damn goomba.

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    • c
      February 2, 2012

      I have an image in my head of Luongo dressed as a mustachioed Italian plumber, taking a flying leap at a little brown goomba bearing Edwards’ face.

      Only I don’t actually know Edwards’ face so he really just has the face of a goomba.

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  7. Misdo
    February 2, 2012

    I wasn’t really on board with Jack until he presented his clinching argument – “Who’s the better goalie…and don’t stat me your stats!” Hard to argue with that – I can see why you left it out of your transcript. Unless you were too busy crafting a new jingle for Drance Numbers based on it.

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  8. madwag
    February 2, 2012

    just so one realizes not all out of town commenters are irrelevant, do see the “blackhawks fan” comment at or near the end of your IWTG on tuesday’s game. i think all bulies will appreciate it.

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  9. Nick
    February 2, 2012

    Not a popular thing to say in some circles, but I prefer a future with Schneider than with an aging Lou.

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    • stathead
      February 2, 2012

      Yeah, that aging Tim Thomas worked out very badly for the Bruins.

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  10. John Andress
    February 2, 2012

    Jack Edwards’ opinion might carry some weight if he had even a shred of credibility left. He doesn’t. File his opinions along with those of Don Cherry and Mark Spectre…in the garbage can.

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    • vancitydan from NM
      February 2, 2012

      Shoot John, Don and the Spec’ are sages of puck wisdom compared to the Jacko Lantern.

      If they did not give him one of the 502 rings that they had made, they missed out. I am sure he flashes it as a symbol of his hockey wisdom, but the man is universally, in the hockey world, the epitome of the term “homer”.

      The only reason we even notice is because of the fact this is a highly paid regional announcer of an NHL team, and he continually sounds like the guy that gets mocked repeatedly on HF Boards!

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  11. Innovation
    February 2, 2012

    Umm, who cares? This guy makes me want to cheer for the Yankees over the Red Sox (and I don’t care about baseball at all) and even the Giants over the Pats.

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  12. Brosef Stalin
    February 2, 2012

    Completely off topic from the Jack Edwards comments (but Schneider related) but has anyone thought that maybe there’s some pressure from Gillis to start Schneider in big games to try and make someone give us some ridiculous offers for him? I mean the only knock on Schneider that I’ve really heard since he’s been here is that he hasn’t had a ton of starts in high pressure situations where he can prove himself. If he keeps getting dangled in games against the likes of Boston and Chicago you have to think that other GMs are going to take notice and realize that he’s not just another over-hyped backup playing sheltered minutes, and maybe they should shell out something good to get a goalie to build around for the future…

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  13. Kate
    February 2, 2012

    Woah woah…did you CALL Jack Edwards before you wrote this?!? ;)

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    • Harrison Mooney
      February 2, 2012

      Hahahaha we’re gonna get this so much now.

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  14. Nee
    February 2, 2012

    I concur with the others here. It’s an intriguing topic, but a topic in which I care exactly 0 what Jack thinks.
    Frankly, I’m surprised he found time to speak about it…got tired of hero worshipping the Bruins for a moment?

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  15. Nee
    February 2, 2012

    From an article today about Wings goalie Jimmy Howard: “It’s going to be important for us to take away his eyes — he stops what he sees,” said Kesler.

    And what? Make a necklace out of them?! Psycho…

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  16. akidd
    February 2, 2012

    jack’s a pro doing what pros do, catching eyes and ears. well done. i don’t disagree with him about schneider being the better goalie. but i do disagree that AV is grooming him in any way. the opposite really. schneider hasn’t had a bad game. even the 3-goal period vs nashville wasn’t really his fault. Lou’s been really good too but that schneider hasn’t started more games is by the sheer will of AV.

    personally i would have no problem going with schneider in the playoffs to start. he is so cool and controlled. I wouldn’t mind it one bit, neither would my nerves.

    with a hundred plus games for a successful playoff team i do believe a true goalie tandem is the way to go. lou was gassed vs boston. he could barely go post-to-post on marchand’s wraparound and was so weak that he got pushed into the net on the breakaway goal.

    i hope that mg recoginize this too. a full season is too much for one keeper. i have faith in him which is why i firmly believe that schneider will not be traded for anyone. and depending on the playoff results if he’s traded in the summer it will be to the oilers and it will cost an eberle.

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