Turns out we owe Dale Weise an apology

I didn’t take offense to much the Canucks did in last Saturday’s tilt with the Boston Bruins. Sure, they went after Shawn Thornton with gusto, but to hear Boston fans tell it, Shawn Thornton fought Mothra in the 1960s and the Canucks are all fairies, so he should have been just fine. And heck, for a guy who was stabbed in the throat with a track javelin, he sure gave it to Tony Gallagher pretty good on Sticks and Stones, huh?

That said, on Monday, I made it clear that I didn’t like Dale Weise’s seeming flip-flop on the non-fight with Shawn Thornton later in the first period. It looked, to me, like he gave every indication that he wanted to fight, then, when the puck dropped and Thornton’s gloves did the same, he changed his mind. I was wrong.

I wasn’t the only one. That’s certainly the way the Boston announcers saw it:

As they say, “Weise clearly was trying to engage Thornton, agreed to go, Thornton said, ‘Fine, I’ll man up,’ and Weise hid.”

Minus the delicately slanted rhetoric, I agreed with this. Weise gave two different excuses — he was tired from having just fought, he was trying to go with Adam McQuaid instead — and I didn’t buy either. I didn’t think he “hid”, as Edwards shouted, but I did think he willfully misled Thornton, which is just as bad, and I fully endorsed his unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.

As it turns out, according to Brad Marchand, who appeared on WEEI radio earlier Wednesday afternoon and discussed the play, Weise, like the rest of us, was had:

I’m going to clear it up for everyone who’s listening,” Marchand said. “It was actually a really sneaky play by Thorty. Weise was trying to fight McQuaid, who was standing behind Thornton on the point. McQuaid was going to fight him. So, Weise was yelling and saying, ‘Yeah, let’s go, let’s go.’

“Thorty just figured that at that point he’d drop his gloves and surprise Weise. And the ref just kind of heard Weise yelling ‘Let’s go’ and thought he was talking to Thorty and conning him into a penalty. Thorty kind of surprised him when Thorty dropped his gloves. Weise had no idea Thorty was going to do that.”

Added Marchand: “Him and Quaider know each other a bit from the minors and I think junior as well. They might have went at [it] there.”

In other words, Weise was telling the truth, and both the short-term and long-term ramifications of this incident — the minor penalty and the reputation for cowardice — are undeserved. We owe him an apology.

Some will say that Weise still chickened out from fighting Thornton, but it’s important to note that Weise did fight earlier in the first, and it’s rare for a player to drop the gloves twice in the same period because it takes so much out of you the first time. For example, despite Thornton’s claim during the ambush of Tony Gallagher on Sticks and Stones that he’d fought three times in a period before, he’s actually never dropped the gloves even twice in a period during a regular-season NHL game. As he would say, “There goes that argument.”

(He did do so once in a preseason game, in 1999, when he was trying to make the NHL. But since that was, you know, 13 years ago, I think we can safely say it’s a rarity.)

Thornton knew it, too. Despite his paisley tie indicating otherwise, he’s a bright guy. He was fully aware that Weise didn’t have much left. But he challenged him anyway, and then he had the nerve to go on Boston radio and crow about it while misleading Tony Gallagher.

Let me be clear here: because of Gallagher’s penchant for hyperbole (40 pounds, Tony, really?), Thornton was able to win the surprise debate. Worse, the similar height and weight measurements of he and Weise will now be a factor in any counterargument claiming Weise should still have fought. But they’re hardly the same class of pugilist. As Thornton indicated when he bragged about fighting the late Derek Boogaard, he’s a heavyweight, a distinction that, when it comes to hockey fights, has nothing to do with actual weight.

Weise just isn’t in that class, and that’s not a slight. Heck, half the league is 6’2″, 210, but when it comes to chucking fists, there aren’t many on the same level as Thornton. It’s one thing to take on Adam McQuaid in your second fight of the period (and he’s pretty freaking tough too), but if you’re angling to go with Thornton, it has to be your first.

In closing, PITB formally apologizes to Dale Weise.

Also in closing, between Weise and Gallagher, a mid-level fighter and a 60-year-old man, why does a rough customer like Shawn Thornton need to ambush everyone to win his battles?

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77 comments

  1. peanutflower
    January 11, 2012

    “and the Canucks are all fairies” That’s all I had to read lol. I already asked for clemency for Dale in the IWTG so I’m good, but now I feel really bad for Tony. I swear, the US media (and yes, they are still worse even than the TO star and Spector and Cox) get more and more wacky every day. That was a really shabby move. The things they will do for ratings, huh? I’m glad I can help PITB out by returning to the blog more times than I really should just to see what’s up, as PITB is one of the few honest ones going, and I’m saying that even when I don’t agree (because I’m such a total homer…)

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  2. Hips
    January 11, 2012

    Marchand is a butthead, but at least he’s honest (sometimes). If I were him I woulda kept it to myself and let the other team take the heat.

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    • Trevor
      January 12, 2012

      Honesty is only a virtue if it’s not based around stupidity. It would be one thing if they came out with that right away, but Thornton’s already had several days of, “well, I’m not sure, he might have been talking to McQuaid but I thought it was me, so I answered the bell.”

      Regardless of what fanbase you’re in, you just don’t throw your teammate under the bus like that – especially after he just finished saying nothing will happen to you as long as he’s around. Maybe Marchand felt he needed to stand up for himself more often, but one things for certain, he’s going to have to when his suspension is over.

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  3. Zach Morris
    January 11, 2012

    almost as though Marchand is defending Weise…
    is that…hell freezing over?

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    • stathead
      January 12, 2012

      Someone divided by zero, all right.

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  4. Mo
    January 11, 2012

    I thought it was more Marchand bragging about the “really sneaky play” (those big, bad Bruins!) than a defense of Weise . Wonder what Thorty thinks of him telling tales? This really is such fun schoolyard stuff. I thought by now I’d be fed up with all of this, but sorry to say, I’m not!

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  5. Winsy
    January 11, 2012

    Well, at least we know Boston’s trick for trying to get the other team to take a penalty! We’ll watch out for that next time!

    I agree with Mo. It was probably more bragging than defending. He probably thought it was so cool that Thornton “got” Weise, but in reality he was just being a dummy by giving away a team secret… Way to go Bradette!

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  6. SteveB
    January 11, 2012

    OK, now I want to see a PITB vrs Weise Scrabble tournament!

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    • sarah
      January 11, 2012

      I’m really hoping to see some PITB vs. spin-offs

      PITB vs. Lappy, Chutes and Ladders

      PITB vs. Burr, Sorry

      PITB vs. Kes, Twister

      PITB vs. Lu, Operation [He's got the steadier hand I'm sure]

      PITB vs. The Sedins, Charades [Sorry, Daniel and Harrison, can't beat the twin connection]

      The possibilities are endless! [Not actually]

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      • Aderam
        January 12, 2012

        But in PITB vs Sedins they should spice it up: Daniels vs Hs!

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  7. piker
    January 11, 2012

    Methinks Mr. Cherry also owes Weise an apology…like that will happen.

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  8. tom selleck's moustache
    January 11, 2012

    “Also in closing, between Weise and Gallagher, a mid-level fighter and a 60-year-old man, why does a rough customer like Shawn Thornton need to ambush everyone to win his battles?”

    Brilliant.

    I feel bad for Weise now. He’s had his name and reputation dragged through the mud because of, basically, a cheap and dishonourable play as well as having his character questioned on national TV. With that in mind, Cherry owes Weise an apology as well or at least clear things up on air; but he probably won’t because it’s unlikely that he’ll hear of Marchand’s revelation.

    And if he was truly owning up and not doing it to brag (I have no idea, not having heard the clip), then I’ll have to give Marchand credit for clearing that incident up as that’s something he could have just as easily kept quiet on.

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    • Snubby
      January 12, 2012

      Actually that last paragraph undermines the whole article. Its a straw man. Its false on every level.

      Thorton didn’t “ambush” Gallagher. He was the next scheduled interview. Gallagher was talking smack and got put in his place (for once). Weissy wanted to fight, Thornton obliged. If Thorton was challenging Edler you think Weise would have stood around? Bitch Please.

      The real “tragedy” of Weise’s character assault was that McQuaid didn’t pummel him. Next time.

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  9. Dan k
    January 11, 2012

    Lmao Thorton….nuff said!!!

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  10. Tom
    January 11, 2012

    Well said.

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  11. iceman
    January 11, 2012

    Mr. Thornton, the self-claimed “Honest Guy”… Yeah I guess he’s just about as honest as a snake oil salesman. Too bad his team’s numbnut mascot rat gave the secret away to boast their collective low intelligence.

    Bruins players, staff and media love to dance with one another so close, it looks almost erotic – well, as erotic as those horny bears during the mating season. Poor Tony must have had a hard time holding his puke while watching the scene live.

    I know they are full of thugs and weasels, but exhibitionists? Please, keep your hideous acts at PG-13 for the sake of civilization.

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  12. Shade of Blue
    January 11, 2012

    While we’re at it, let’s give Weiss props for his outstanding play in the two most recent games. He’s looked great playing with Malhotra, and he showed some serious hustle out there when everyone else looked flat (his line mates and Coho excepted). Dude has been a serious upgrade for the 4th line, which is not at all what I expected when he was acquired.

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  13. akidd
    January 12, 2012

    good for marchand.

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    • tj
      January 12, 2012

      I just don’t know what to think: is he ‘coming clean’, selling out his teammate, or something else.

      Whatever it is, the Boston media, apart from just reporting the facts, have sure remained quiet. It doesn’t fit the story the general media there wants to tell.

      But the note above about the erotic dance is amusing to me. I was just coming onto this site for the umpteenth time in the past few days, thinking, “PITB, I can’t quit you.”

      Glad you were willing to apologize. Few others will, I suspect.

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  14. stathead
    January 12, 2012

    Now, this still doesn’t solve the conundrum of why it is worse to wobble out of a fight challenge than to turn over the puck or make a bad line change and create a scoring chance for the other team. But I probably wouldn’t understand that fully anyways. Thanks muchly, PITB, for this (no trolls so far… odd… almost as thought they haven’t heard about this clarification thru the Boston media). And I didn’t expect to be thanking Brad Marchand this week, but life can always surprise you: clearing that up was a decent move.

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  15. Michael
    January 12, 2012

    Odd, we rip on Marchand for being a nasty bastard and then we thank him for being truthful. These hockey players are complicated people. I must shall spend the next decade studying cricket instead. Those players couldn’t possibly have the extra mental abilities needed to practice this kind of diabolical mind fuckery.

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  16. DBM
    January 12, 2012

    After following (and appreciating) PITB for about a year, I registered to comment just to pubicly apologize to Weise because I too doubted his actions and later explanation. He definitely was prepared to take one for the team and smart enough not to waste it on Thorton.

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  17. Overdog
    January 12, 2012

    Whew! Thanks PITB!! That scenario looked and smelled all wonky (especially with the biased Boston media commentary). Marchand has done a fine thing by being forthright and honest. My hope is that the Boston media will publish Marchand’s disclosure with as much vigour as the (now misunderstood) initial verbal spar.

    Again – Kudos to Marchand and PITB!!

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  18. Gas1972
    January 12, 2012

    You guys are ridiculous. Ambush? He was standing right in front of Weise, looking him right in the eye. Ambush? pfffft. Poor Vancouver players don’t want to come out and fight. McQuaid would’ve been a much tougher fight for this guy. McQuaid was well rested. Thornoton had already been in a scrum with 5 other players. So, ” there goes that argument.” McQuaid is a very close second to Thornton in toughness and a very good defenseman. He’s a lot taller than Weise and Thornton, so, ” there goes the size argument.” Tony Gallagher says it best at the end of the call in Boston when he says, ” THis team has no toughness.” That’s coming from one of your own folks. Night, night.

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    • gumby
      January 12, 2012

      Take it up with Marchand, not Mooney.

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    • stathead
      January 12, 2012

      Oh, few Canucks fans would accept TG being one of our own! That chap causes more trouble than some opposing players. Seriously though, there’s no need to call Marchand a liar, Gas1972. He’s had enough flak this week, and explaining about Weise was decent. Must be some peculiar male fighting honour code thing.

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    • Zukuss
      January 12, 2012

      Wait, I thought that Thornton was jumped by 37 wildmen who were paid by the Canucks to put on uniforms and skates. Where’s your hyperbole?

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  19. J21
    January 12, 2012

    Why do Boston sports media folks think throwing in shots like “Heh, well we won the Cup!” or “Enjoy your President’s Trophy!” in any way makes what they’re saying more correct? It just makes them sound like the children they are.

    I guess we all should have resorted to communism when North Vietnam won, because apparently physical victory = righteousness in everything.

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  20. Steeeve
    January 12, 2012

    I miss Ryp.

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  21. JDM
    January 12, 2012

    Dear Boston Media,

    In future, when seeking a media representative to take the position of “Canucks homer” on your broadcasts, can you please just skip over that “Tony Gallagher” card in the rolodex and get Harrison on the line instead?

    Warm Regards,

    Everybody

    … PS This is now yet another incident where if a Canuck had done it, it would be characterized by Boston fans as dirty, underhanded lying by a rat player from a rat team. Because it was Thornton it will draw wry laughter about how clever Thornton is.

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  22. Sprucetrap
    January 12, 2012

    “to hear Boston fans tell it, Shawn Thornton fought Mothra in the 1960s and the Canucks are all fairies”

    Your fascination with the Bruins are their fans is starting to become obsessive.

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    • peanutflower
      January 12, 2012

      See, it’s a vicious circle, right? If the Canucks and the Vancouver media choose not to respond — i.e. Gallagher refused the invitation — vilification would follow — the old “pansies”, “fairies”, “sisters” and my favourite, “pussies”. We can’t win for losing. So really, the mere fact that you are still on here trolling away and making comments like that sort of makes it seem like you guys are the obsessive ones. I know I’m not trolling around on any Boston board anywhere.

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      • stathead
        January 13, 2012

        St. Louis Blues coach Ken Hitchcock, when asked about people hating the Vancouver Canucks: “If Vancouver wants to be liked, start losing. Everybody will love you.”

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  23. John Andress
    January 12, 2012

    Things get out of whack, don’t they? I imagine that if a Canucks had contradicted a team-mate’s version of a story he had given out publicly in the way Marchand did to Thornton, the great unwashed, including our local members of that clan, would be howling about throwing a team-mate under the bus. By the way, well done for manning up and offering an apology when it was due. That is far closer to my idea of toughness than punching an opponent on the back of the head after a legitimate hit.

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  24. Warpstone
    January 12, 2012

    What are the chances of Gallagher being invited back to that Boston show now to ambush Thornton with the accusation that he’s full of it? :D

    Ah, I’m really starting to enjoy this rivalry.

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  25. madwag
    January 12, 2012

    mr. mooney

    thanks for the clarification. i took time to watch the video clip a couple or three times and weise’s version of the incident seems spot on, unlike that of the commentators whose biased observations that the canucks are “arrogant” and “most despised” were truly offensive. i actually had difficulty believing what i was hearing, not what was said but that it was being said. cheers.

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    • madwag
      January 12, 2012

      not that i accepted what was said either, but the fact it was being said was unbelievable. these guys are not in the same class as shorty and john who, despite obviously being canuck fans, are delightfully objective in their observations, especially regarding things many vancouver fans might choose to overlook.

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  26. vancitydan
    January 12, 2012

    Gee Dog Diggitty. I thought that Weise got submarined on that one, so glad to see you others get with him. PITB, good on you to have the apology.

    I think you confused the Gas fellow ,and the other Boston fan.

    Which, really blows me away. What is with these people? They hunt out the blog, they mock it wrongly on the radio, and now the same tired diatribes from a couple of haters on this story.

    Yes, we know you won the Cup there. No class like the Wings, or even our (ugh) friends the Hawks. They showed a level of fandom that is just fine, but the aggressive Boston fans have really taken foot and inserted into mouth.

    Yes, we know the team is good, we don”t need you braying donkeys here every day to tell us tale.

    It was just one game of 82. One your team lost. Can you just move on? We are trying to here! (the last shot by one about being obsessed about Boston is rich )

    I think I can speak for everyone. If you guys promise to shut up, we will stop mocking the idiocy you come out with about the 2010 Olympic city.

    Deal?

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    • brendan
      January 12, 2012

      Braying Donkey here. Are you talking about class? I guess the sign of real class is for Canuck fans to constantly whine about everything, including what a big, bad TV host from Boston did to poor Tony Gallagher. I thought this was Bruins vs Canucks, who cares about what the media says to each other? You guys got that much of an inferiority complex?

      You people have not stopped complaining about one sided officiating and goon hockey since last June. Yes the Bruins play with an edge, yes they go over it sometimes. But Bruin fans at least admit it. The truth is the Bruins are the deepest, most well balanced team in the league. They are a + 60 as a team. Canuck fans honestly believe their team does nothing wrong, commits no penalties, and is is just the victim of a vast conspiracy that is some combination of east coast bias, the man (Gary Bettman) keeping them down, one-sided officiating, and Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs somehow taking over the NHL and deciding the outcome of games.

      I’d rather have Marchand than a real rat like Lapierre, at least you win with players like Marchand. I don’t speak for everyone, but how about I send you a crate of tissues, you have a big cry while wearing your Canucks pjs and finally stop whining and promise to shut up?

      Deal?

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      • stathead
        January 13, 2012

        Try yoga.

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        • brendan
          January 13, 2012

          Why?

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  27. jester
    January 12, 2012

    I am not the only one to notice the uncanny resemblance Marchand has to the cartoon character BRUTUS. Not only physical but mental as well.

    I dub thee “BOSTON BRUTUS”

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    • iceman
      January 12, 2012

      … Or “Boston B-RATS”.

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      • jester
        January 12, 2012

        After further discussion, not for all bruins personel, just the ones that exemplify the similar traits…..

        I dub thee ” BOSTON BRUTES” and of course not all their fans & media types, just the ones
        who support BRUTUS & THE BRUTES

        I dub thee ” THE BOSTON BRUTIES “

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  28. Sonia
    January 12, 2012

    So what I’m getting from reading the Marchand interview is that Weise got a penalty because the refs thought that he was conning Thornton into getting a penalty whereas in reality, Thornton was conning Weise into getting a penalty by making the refs think Weise was conning Thornton into getting a penalty? Did I get that right? God that was confusing to type and even more confusing to think about lol

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    • Harrison Mooney
      January 12, 2012

      Heh. Pretty much, yeah.

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  29. Mike Jaskoni
    January 12, 2012

    Me sad. Me no win cup. Me burn city down. Me happy now.

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    • John Andress
      January 12, 2012

      You stupid.

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    • John in Marpole
      January 12, 2012

      I can almost hear your standard low-IQ thug Boston accent when I read your well written post. That and the sound of knuckles dragging on the floor.

      Who helped you with the punctuation?

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  30. Dennis Morse
    January 12, 2012

    Hi…have to make it clear that the “uninformed” Boston crowd actually get it and it seems you do not. The taunting of Luongo is because he made an ass of himself last year in the playoffs and also because he was on the bench. The fans actually realized he was on the bench and not playing. Your comments make it sound like we in Boston are complete morons and not as cerebral as the upstanding citizens of Vancouver. Hey, is Vancouver still burning after game 7? Smart city…really smart and informed!

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    • Harrison Mooney
      January 12, 2012

      You’re like, a week late on this one, buddy, and we’ve already explained that anyone pointing this out is thicker than oak wainscoting.

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    • John in Marpole
      January 12, 2012

      Hey Dennis, go back and read the previous blog posts where a couple of people pointed out that Boston has a history of post-sporting event rioting and in those riots people have died.

      You Boston trolls need to learn your own history before you try and claim some level of superiority.

      BTW, Dennis, in case you were planning on a clever come-back along the lines of Stanley Cup championships, Vancouver only entered the NHL in 1970, so any Cup victories prior to that don’t count for comparison purposes because Vancouver couldn’t win what it wasn’t competing for. That said, a Vancouver team won the Stanley Cup long, long, long before any Boston team did.

      I’ll leave it to you to do the research on those facts, son.

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  31. John Andress
    January 12, 2012

    I sadly note that whilst the national media (TSN), CBC (Don Cherry) and bloggers (Puck Daddy) were quick to castigate Dale Weise for his -disgraceful, shameful, cowardly, pathetic – choose your own adjective – display in faking Sean Thornton by issuing a challenge and then failing to follow up on it, they have been less ready to admit that they did him an injustice as has subsequently been revealed by his own team-mate, Brad Marchand. To date, this is the only site honest enough to issue a mea culpa and apologize. I can’t hear you Greg Wyshynsky, Don Cherry snd TSN panels. Speak up.

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    • Harrison Mooney
      January 12, 2012

      I’ll tell Greg he owes Weise an apology RIGHT NOW.

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      • John Andress
        January 12, 2012

        Thank you. Being an absolute technoklutz I couldn’t figure out how to do it myself, so I appreciate your intervention and assistance.

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      • John Andress
        January 15, 2012

        Eight days later. I still haven’t heard anybody, with the exception of yourselves, acknowledge that they were wrong in the Weise/Thornton affair. I guess that the “Canucks Are The Most Hated Team In Hockey” storyline is just too good to let to let reality interfere with it. Odd though. Cherry, for example is always prattling on about “honour” in the game. You would think that he would at least have an idea of what “honour” means. Obviously not.

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  32. Fred Hughson
    January 12, 2012

    I’m a die-hard Canuck fan. That said, I don’t think Marchand’s revelation is a case of stupidity or lack of loyalty to his team or his teammate. He was simply clearing up a misconception about the Weise-Thornton incident. The interviewer was the one who brought it up and Marchand didn’t see any point, when asked about it, to be dishonest. Clearly (and quite rightly) he doesn’t believe that the truth hurts himself, his teammate, or his team. In fact, describing how it really went down has probably had the reverse effect. In my mind at least, it helps to redeem his reputation as a rat (and may even extend to the organization he plays for). I’m guessing that for Brad Marchand, the ridiculous war of words between fans and media is not his war. His war is the one on the ice.

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    • Gas1972
      January 12, 2012

      This has quickly turned into one of the most heated rivalries in playoff hockey. Too bad they can only meet in the finals. Everyone is pointing fingers and name calling, but the bad blood between these two teams started with the Burrows biting incident. Then, game two when the Sedins and Burrows did a video of themselves introducing their lines in the beginning of the game that made a mockery of that incident, and publically laughed at it; in essence laughing at Bergeron and the Bruins. If these two events don’t happen in the first two games it may have played out alot differently. That type of attitude is also why so many other people in the league dislike them.

      It all snowballed from there as we all saw. There was no rough stuff until the Bruins caught wind of the Sedins and Burrows making fun of them and the incident, game 3.

      Both teams have been guilty of questionable hits and play on the ice. Vancouver moreso than Boston. Right now it is a great rivalry and hopefully there will be another chapter in June to add to it. I’d say there is a better than average chance that Vancouver will be there in the end for the West, hopefully Bruins will be two. Both teams have a lot of pieces in place for a few years to come. (Boston does anyway, not sure about Vancouver) Good luck Vancouver!

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      • shoes
        January 12, 2012

        you are right nobody should ever laugh at a man named ‘patrice’ that fights by inserting his fingers in another mans mouth. This is an old Boston tradition that came off the mayflower. Fingers fighters were the first men in America and to this day they carry their tradition proudly with names like patrice, phyllis, spanky and lucille, being some of the best at their craft.

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      • Daniel Wagner
        January 12, 2012

        I have no recollection whatsoever of the Sedins and Burrows mocking the biting incident in a video. This is honestly the first I have heard of it and, considering that we were on top of pretty much everything that happened during the Final, I would be shocked if this happened and we didn’t hear about it. It also doesn’t sound like something the Sedins, who are about as straight-laced as they come, would ever do.

        Does anyone else remember this video or something like it?

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        • stathead
          January 12, 2012

          I’d be very surprised to come across something like that. It’s definitely not like them, and I’m very certain we would have heard of it on some blog or other; plus all the searches on youtube looking to see exactly what happened during the incident would have pulled it up by keyword.

          I don’t much care for this rivalry, actually – a lot of people don’t seem to be enjoying the game. but more taking the excuse to unleash the same coiled-spring rage about life that I’ve seen turn into football fan-on-fan violence in Britain. There’s a lot of poison in this rivalry, with scrums and fights and sucker punches getting to the point of actually slowing and obscuring the hockey.

          I like the peppery, less-toxic rivalries with cities we play more often like Calgary, and even the Blackhawks rivalry. Lots of spirit, but the hockey comes first.

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          • Gas1972
            January 12, 2012

            STATHEAD – I would have to agree with you about this rivalry being toxic right now. You can feel the hate when watching the two teams on the same ice. If they were to meet again in the finals I think it would get back to hockey, especially with the league and the microscope they would have on that.

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            • stathead
              January 13, 2012

              I sure hope so! They may well meet in the playoffs the way both teams are playing. But I think if anything the league tends to back off on penalties a bit in the finals to edge up the energy level. Either way, we all love to watch great hockey!

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        • Gas1972
          January 12, 2012

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ju12GOdaW0

          Here is video of the sisters introducing Burrows as a ” vegetarian.” Indicating he did not bite Bergeron’s finger the game before.

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          • Daniel Wagner
            January 12, 2012

            Fair enough. Never saw that video before, which is surprising. I think it’s exaggerating to say that they’re mocking anybody though; seems more politely humorous. It’s definitely nowhere near as incendiary as previously indicated. I sincerely doubt that had anything to do with how the Bruins played physically in the series. Rome’s hit on Horton probably has a bit more to do with that.

            And please refrain from referring to the Sedins as sisters; that’s a surefire way to get everyone to think of you as an imbecile.

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            • Gas1972
              January 13, 2012

              HI DANIEL WAGNER – You’re right about the sisters comments. I will refrain from doing so. I respect the Sedins for their skill. And you’re right, that video wasn’t the only thing, I think the combination of the biting, the mockery of the bitingy from Lapierre,. The collective attitude of the team in regards to that biting incident, and their attitude towards the Bruins. A Similar attitude to all of the Vancouver fans on here saying Boston and Americans have low I.Q’s. Bieksa was recently quoted saying the Bruins play a stupid style of hockey. Was Rome’s hit a smart style of hockey? Was Burrows biting smart hockey? There was a questionable hit on Lucic in the series last summer by Raymond I think, similar to the Marchand on Salo. Was that smart hockey? Vancouver has a great team. STATHEAD was right saying this is a poisonous rivalry right now. But that collective attitude towards the Bruins certainly inspired then to a greater level.

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          • gumby
            January 12, 2012

            Oh, puhleeeze. It’s a joke, man, he’s taking the piss out of BURROWS, you tool.

            And cut it out with the “sisters” crapola, that’s unibrow Cro Magnonnery, and the equivalent of Godwin’s law as far as the Sedins are concerned.

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          • stathead
            January 13, 2012

            Well, now we know why we never saw the video before. It’s not the least bit mocking of the Bruins; it’s more self-deprecating than anything, and totally forgettable.

            Actually, as I understand it, Marc Savard and Don Cherry were both on record biting during games. I’ve always been mystified why this became such an issue. The League clearly didn’t think it was, and they were never accused of favouring the Canucks during the finals by any means. I bet the real reasons that they didn’t suspend Burrows were that: 1) Burrows was being restrained by the official and had no way to get away from the finger that 2) Bergeron deliberately (and creepily) slid into his mouth, risking breaking Burrows’ teeth; 3) you really can’t see a biting motion; his head twists which could drive the teeth into the finger but you don’t see the jaw clamp; 4) the guy was wearing a thick leather glove, so technically the glove was bitten, not the hand, and 5) what on earth else was he supposed to do? What would you do, suck it?

            I think every man who calls the Sedins “sisters” could easily be outplayed by the women on the Canadian Olympic women’s hockey team, so it’s not much of an insult. It’s a useful way to identify the quality of someone’s character when they use that as an insult.

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          • shoes
            January 13, 2012

            You get some reasoned responses when you call them “sisters”…..but not from me….I think you are as dumb as a post. Another Bruin fan that drools when he breathes…..

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        • brendan
          January 12, 2012

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      • iceman
        January 12, 2012

        Did Burrows force Begeron and pulled the Bruin’s finger into his own mouth to bite it, because he’s a cannibal?

        NO! Bergeron FORCED his finger into Burrows’ mouth while Burrows’ hands were all tied up in the scrum. So what would YOU do, suck it?

        Then again, being a Bruins fan, I guess you gladly will.

        And whatever video you saw, if it was made with such a malicious intent by Sedins (which they never will do in their lifetime) it would have made a huge headlines everywhere during and after the SCF. Well this is the first time ever I heard of it.

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  33. shoes
    January 12, 2012

    I am aware that many Boston fans might pass an IQ test, but not many that are posting here. They are all upset because Marchand ratted out “thorty” Thorty did the tough equivalent of a dive and pretended he was the one that was being challenged by Weise. Marchand spilled the beans and called it “sneaky” It was not sneaky….it was a “DIVE” , drew a penalty where one wasn’t deserved. So they have a rat and a sneaky thorty and the son of the boss of the referees, they got beat in their own barn, they can’t stop complaining about it and most of all they call Canucks fans whiners….. Do you think that constant hum out of beantown is flatulance…..because it it your collective whining. And please shut about suspicions of conspiracies……because the only one that exists is “THE BOSS OF THE REFEREES IS THE DADDY OF ONE OF THE BRUINS” He has already tried, and been caught trying to fire a referee for giving his boy a meaningless penalty on a losing team…..so yeah, the NHL is at fault for appearances of impropriety and Gregory Campbell may go down in history as the greatest trade ever.

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  34. Bruins
    January 12, 2012

    Interesting that only a few Boston fans have made posts you find articulate or intelligent. I am sure the Canuck fan posts on Boston message boards are ALL above board and well thought out tomes of hockey knowledge. Give us a break. When Bruins fans have posted intelligent responses only a select few of you have responded in kind and I know for a fact that some intelligent, well thought out, and statistically backed up posts by Bruins fans have not made it through your moderators (mine and a few friends of mine), so get off your high horses. This childish tete a tete is beyond ridiculous and should be over.
    That said, regardless of who Weise was intending to fight, I have a different take. I’d argue Thornton was doing him a favor, have you seen McQuaid fight, Especially in an emotionally charged game like this? He is relentless…

    As far as Gallagher getting “ambushed” on Felger’s show – the producers let Tony know that Thornton was going to be in studio and he may be available to respond, as Shawn Thornton was already scheduled to be on the show (as he is every Tuesday). Felger is a total d-bag no question, no one in the Boston media likes him, but he sure gets ratings because he is entertaining and will say anything he can to get a rise out of people. Clearly it has worked again.

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    • Daniel Wagner
      January 12, 2012

      Guarantee you that we are only deleting posts with offensive content and unnecessary insults. I, at least, have not deleted any intelligent posts.

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    • stathead
      January 13, 2012

      Hey Bruins, if the childish tete a tete should be over, you wouldn’t be posting now… you know you love it. :)

      No, I agree there are hockey fans of all teams who put up posts that seem to be nothing but strings of abuse, kind of taking over most forums, so many fans of the same team don’t even want to read them and have no forum for reasonable discussion/debate. Part of why this blog is so popular is that they’re rational and moderate (and funny), and most of the Canuck fans who post here like to keep it the same in our comments (though some do get pretty excited.) They do a good job of moderating, but there are plenty of Boston fans whose comments don’t get deleted even when they’re mean, as long as they’re not actually OTT abusive (e.g. see IWTG for the Boston game – many Bruins fan comments survived the Scythe of Harrison and Daniel. Or the Scythe of Mooney and Wagner. Yes, I like that better.)

      As for whether a favour was done, I do kind of wish players like Weise and Lappy were allowed to just focus on the game and developing their skills rather than trying to learn to be fighters. Maybe Bantam players should all be made to take UFC-style lessons, so the poor guys don’t have to suddenly learn it as adults.

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    • stathead
      January 13, 2012

      But I don’t think you’ll find anyone here who’s willing to stick up for poor old Gallagher. Not the cleverest of men, poor dear. Easy pickings for Thornton, and he’s playing into the hands of Hodgson’s agent by calling for increased ice time and driving up his sticker price for resigning next year, putting more pressure on the whole Canuck salary cap thing. So he’s on his own.

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  35. Tj
    January 13, 2012

    Love how you guys keep falling back on ” people from Boston are stupid” this so weak in so many ways. Do some research on the Boston area or better yet come take a tour of Harvard, MIT, Boston College and Boston University.

    Boston being the birth place of the american revolution which in turn spawned the greatest nation in history of the world is great destination for all you history buffs. While you are here Perhaps you can spend some touring the historic sites. You can see first hand where our minutemen men slapped around the British and sent them home with their tails between their legs. If you are only into sport (I suspect this is the case for more than a few of you) boston is often called the city of champions. Depending on when you come-you can take in a red sox (2004 & 2007 champs) Celtics (17 time champs last-2008) Patriots (2002,2004,2005) and of course a Bruins(2010 champs) who like our famous minute men, slapped around some foreigners of a similar name.

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