Bruins’ Brad Marchand’s claim that he was just protecting himself is nonsense

It was interesting to hear Brad Marchand speak to Boston Bruins TV about his low-bridge on Sami Salo from the second period of Saturday’s matinee game between the Bruins and the Canucks. Granted, I wasn’t expecting him to admit to any wrongdoing, but I was amused when he painted the incident as little more than a reaction play. In his own words:

“I was kind of looking over my shoulder and saw Salo coming in and I just kind of went down. You look up and see a guy that’s 6’4″, 6’5″ coming in on you and your instincts are to protect yourself. It’s very unfortunate that he was hurt on the play.”

Salo was indeed hurt, by the way. If it wasn’t clear from the sudden, alarmingly out-of-character bout of stick-throwing rage from the demure Fin, he wasn’t quite himself, having suffered a concussion on the play. This was confirmed Sunday morning when he woke up with a headache.

Was Salo’s brain trauma, as Marchand indicated, just the result of a hockey play gone wrong? Was he merely a Suntot trying to protect himself from an oncoming Smoggie, a hobbit afeared of Orc aggression? No. That’s a blatant falsehood, especially if you watch what led up to the play.

I was clued to do this after reading what Kevin Bieksa had to say about the incident yesterday. From the Vancouver Sun:

“It’s very, very cheap. I can’t think of a cheaper hit you can do on the ice. That and a slew-foot kind of go hand in hand. Twenty seconds before that, [Marchand] and Sami have a pretty good collision in the exact same spot. Sami probably gets the better of him. Then second time, Marchand comes back and loses his will and goes down low. A cheap shot from him, and I hope he gets a phone call from the league.”

As Bieksa points out, there’s some context prior to the hit. Unfortunately, when you have an incendiary incident like this one, it’s easy to overlook what led up to it, and it certainly doesn’t help when the first clip of the play to hit the Youtubes is only eight seconds long. But here’s a longer clip, and there are a few things to observe:

Prior to Marchand taking Salo out in the corner, the two men come together a little higher up the boards, and Marchand’s Napoleon complex becomes very clear: it’s an innocuous collision (as most collisions with Salo are), but when Salo wins it by keeping the puck in the zone, Marchand takes exception and punches him in the back of the head as the two separate.

It’s completely needless. Then, clearly feeling his point was not made, whatever it is, Marchand follows Salo into the slot. Three seconds later, he punches him again.

Both of these punches go uncalled, by the way, despite the linesman having a pretty good vantage point. If a Bruins fan tells you that the refs were out to call everything and give the Canucks the game, just smile and nod.

For all this business about the Canucks being the tattletales of the league, Salo pretty quietly goes about his business here. He ignores both punches and returns to his position at the point without objection.

Then puck squirts back to wall, and he pinches to keep it in the zone. We all remember what happened next.

Considering what comes before, Marchand’s claim that he was just protecting himself is nonsense. He had clearly been trying to instigate something with the Canucks’ defender all shift, and after Salo opted not to respond to his two gloved punches, this is the approach Marchand took. As Mike Gillis said, “It’s a dirty play by a dirty player.”

I hate the phrase “intent to injure” since, because I can’t read minds and neither can you (I assume), it’s impossible to prove. But the hypothesis that this was a predatory hit is well-supported by the evidence. Marchand has a phone hearing with the league, meaning he can be suspended anywhere from one to four games when it’s through. Put me down as a proponent for four.

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78 comments

  1. peanutflower
    January 8, 2012

    Well, they used that phrase “intent to injure” pretty freely when Rome hit whatsit. Horton. Thornton. You should send this article to the NHL head office right now, so they can see what really happened. Do it.

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  2. RU Serious?
    January 8, 2012

    Great article! Marchand’s a Bruin, he won’t be suspended at least not more than one game no matter what is done. The one game would only be for appearances so the league can say that they do get suspended. They can break backs, cause concussions without any further discipline. Makes it easy to win games when you know the rules don’t apply to you. Pappa Campbell took care of Lucic yesterday, now he’ll take care of Marchand for his baby boy’s team. Unlikely the Bruins will ever have penalties like they did yesterday even though they were well deserved. Pappa Campbell likely had a “chat” with the referees involved. Don’t worry Bruins, Pappa Campbell’s got the your backs. How can a league have ANY integrity when a parent in charge of officiating games with a child actively playing in the league. Absolutely ridiculous.

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    • Joshua
      January 8, 2012

      You do know that Colin is no longer in charge of league discipline, right? Unless Shanny also took over parenting duties along with the disciplinary role, your argument makes no sense. However, if Brendan is now “Pappa” to Gregory, does that make Rob Blake the “Mamma?”

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      • Martina
        January 9, 2012

        You think Colin has no input? You’re crazy….

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      • shoes
        January 9, 2012

        Actually you are sadly mistaken. Colon is still Shannys boss. Shanny is acting like Semi-colon. The Bruins seem favored no matter how you look at league discipline, but they did NOT seem favored before Gregory arrived……see Savard for further info. This was a dirty hit by a repeat offender and I am offended it is not an in person. How does this little prick get away with punching his way through the Canucks lineup.

        a) he has a photo of ref (s) with a goat
        b) he has rented a zip on goat suit complete with appropriate entry.

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  3. tj
    January 8, 2012

    Yes, and it’s too bad myopic Haggerty would likely never deign to read a post such as this. Let’s see, they break the back of a small player, they punch the faces of non-fighters, and they concuss the fragile Salo. Nicest bunch of guys.

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  4. athapap
    January 8, 2012

    Ironically Bieksa made a lowbridge hit in game 7 on Thornton. 1st period – 8:44 left – the difference is Bieksa’s hit was real low – right on Thornton’s knee. Just sayin.

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    • B
      January 8, 2012

      Video?

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    • trent
      January 8, 2012

      the fact that you type in ‘bieksa low hit on thornton’ in youtube you don’t get anything that pops up at all about the hit whatsoever …..must have been pretty effin harmless if it wasn’t the first thing to pop up on youtube check your facts kid. check out marchand on salo and see how many you get. jus sayin….

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    • Arnold Jamtart
      January 8, 2012

      And that, ladies and gentlemen, is an excellent example of what is known as the “tu quoque” fallacy.

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      • athapap
        January 8, 2012

        thanks for the common sense defence Arnold……..as for Trent – any Bruin fan that cares would be too busy celebrating a Stanley Cup victory to worry about a bitter you tube posting – I gave you the exact time it happened – feel free to look it up.

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  5. siukou
    January 8, 2012

    I believe the quote “It’s a dirty hit by a dirty player” should be attributed to Mike Gillis. http://blogs.theprovince.com/2012/01/08/gillis-calls-marchand-action-that-may-have-concussed-salo-a-dirty-play-by-a-dirty-player/

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    • Harrison Mooney
      January 8, 2012

      Correct you are. Fixed.

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  6. Daniel W.
    January 8, 2012

    I thought that after watching the replay on youtube!
    I completely agree with your assessment and I also don’t believe that he will have to serve a proportionate amount of suspensions compared to other scumbags!

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  7. Mike H.
    January 8, 2012

    No word of a lie, when I was watching the game, after Salo’s first hit, I thought to myself, “Good hit by Salo. Hey, has Sami Salo made it halfway through the year without a serious injury?” I was just about to tweet that thought right as Marchand ducked down to low-bridge him. I’m sorry that I brought this curse upon him… :(

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  8. C
    January 8, 2012

    So, applying Marchand’s and Julien’s logic to the rest of the league, administering a similar hit to Zdeno Chara is fair game for everybody, especially if Chara is ‘taking a run’ at him, like Salo was so very obviously doing, that despicable, head-hunting scumbag.

    Okay. I understand now.

    In other news, the Earth is flat, crop circles really are alien messages, and clouds are actually made up of cotton.

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    • athapap
      January 8, 2012

      I realize that everyone’s real heated about this, but the Chara example is a good one on the issue of what the rules are or should be for hits below the waist. If you watch many games involving the Bruins when Chara does deliver hits guys often do elect to duck down low, and a fair amount of the time he will tumble over top of them. Never seen him cartwheel like Salo did (or like the victims of Ballard or Hamhuis hip checks which also tend to connect right in the vicinity of the knee/thigh area) but Chara does get hit around the knees all the time.

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      • peanutflower
        January 8, 2012

        Well, geez, look at how high Chara’s knees are.

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      • PeeSeeGee
        January 9, 2012

        The rules don’t change if you are taller. Clipping is still clipping. You still can’t hit someone below the knees. Same as a hit to the head doesn’t change when you are taller.

        If you look at Ballard, he tends to cushion the other player round with his arms so they don’t land on their heads. Clearly the dumping on the head was what made this particular hit dangerous.

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  9. kim
    January 8, 2012

    Yes, because Salo’s a noted headhunter and must be watched at all times.

    *eyeroll*

    Cue the trolls.

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  10. Tristan
    January 8, 2012

    Marchand’s explanation was simultaneously laughable and sad.

    As a small aside: Sami Salo is a Finn. Fin is a whale.

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  11. Zach Morris
    January 8, 2012

    I don’t even know what to say anymore.
    I can’t say “Stay classy” because he never was.
    I can’t say “I hope he gets hurt” because I don’t. Nobody should have that wished upon them.
    I can’t say “I hope he gets suspended” because that’s like hoping for the sun to come up tomorrow, it should be a given.
    I can’t say “We’ll get him back for it” because A)That’s not our style and B) We won’t see them until next season

    I guess my overwhelming sentiment is,
    I hope Salo’s career isn’t over.

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    • jenny wren
      January 9, 2012

      one more time:

      So barely bearable in your way
      A real life Boston Bruin cliche
      With absolutely naught to say
      I hope you are not here to stay

      There’s this one thing that bothers me
      I like Fig Newtons so you see
      Your pseudonym so bourgeoisie
      Tempers my scorn to some degree

      Moreover your puerile mocking
      Is much more sad than ’tis shocking
      So though your nose needs a socking
      I’ll just smile at all your knocking

      The very kernel of our Zen
      Is skate away and score again

      Yours very truly, Jenny Wren

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  12. Dan k
    January 8, 2012

    This insignificant little 22 year old punk needs a lesson in life. He’s doing this cuz he knows he has backups. Punk!

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  13. athapap
    January 8, 2012

    2 wrongs don’t make a right, but it would be interesting to hear a defence of the attached. Raymond on ………MARCHAND – game 5 – listen to the crowd roar.

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    • peanutflower
      January 8, 2012

      I don’t know how you could “defend” that hit except perhaps to say the height differential between Marchand and Raymond is not anywhere near that as between Salo and Marchand and so the result is just a little rollover. Both players were crouched down and it looks like a bit of a contest to see who got the lowest, sort of like a checking limbo dance. Also, both players are completely aware of what is going to happen. It’s similar but completely different, right?

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      • athapap
        January 8, 2012

        It sounds like you think it’s the result (i.e. – the consequence to the “victim” of the hit) that matters rather than the nature of the hit itself. It looks like a pretty clear clip wouldn’t you say? A potential ACL shredder and career ender. An automatic 5 minute major from Colin Campbell’s minions would have seemed to have been a given one would have thought? For the record there was no penalty and no outrage from any quarter. Could the fact that the victim was a rat and then perpetrator the baby-faced Mason Raymond have anything to do with that?

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        • Canucks Supporter
          January 8, 2012

          Puck is long gone dude…

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        • peanutflower
          January 8, 2012

          Well, the consequence of the hit is pretty much what ends up being the issue, right? At least that’s what they said when Rome got suspended. I don’t see any clip here. Neither player is standing upright. Whatevs. Marchand does this shit all the time and gets away with it, so yes, he deserves any suspension he gets.

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          • athapap
            January 8, 2012

            no clipping? ummm ok. I’m pretty sure this video is the exact visual representation of clipping if the read the rule.

            44.1 Clipping – Clipping is the act of throwing the body, from any direction, across or below the knees of an opponent.
            A player may not deliver a check in a “clipping” manner, nor lower his own body position to deliver a check on or below an opponent’s knees.
            An illegal “low hit” is a check that is delivered by a player or goalkeeper who may or may not have both skates on the ice, with his sole intent to check the opponent in the area of his knees. A player may not lower his body position to deliver a check to an opponent’s knees.

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            • Carmanah
              January 8, 2012

              The comparison between these two episodes is faulty. Marchand attempts to hit Raymond, who ducks and moves to the right slightly (you can clearly see him push up against the boards). As far as I know, trying to avoid being hit is not only smart but not illegal in any way. It’s Marchand’s forward motion that flips him over Raymond. Conversely, with the Salo hit, Salo can clearly be seen coasting in, he takes NO strides in to gain speed for a big hit. It’s Marchand that initiates impact by ducking into Salo’s knee area in a complete act of cowardice. the Bruins claim of Salo charging in is not what the video shows. Marchand’s initiates contact in both cases which is why The Raymond hit isn’t clipping.

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              • athapap
                January 8, 2012

                talk about seeing what you want to see – thanks for making my point and illustrating that Harrison’s argument about the “absurdity “of Marchand’s defence applies in spades to the strained “logic” displayed here

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        • shoes
          January 9, 2012

          Was last season your first season of watching hockey or did you just start in the playoffs. Contact is made….Raymond is going downwards, the Rat is going upwards. End of story.

          But spanky…..if you ever put on a pair of skates you would know that landing on top is better, so the Rat is doing just fine in that check above….please don’t compare the two hits. You are making a complete and utter hockey fool of yourself.

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    • Canucks Supporter
      January 8, 2012

      …first of all the puck was long gone, so Brad Marchand was head hunting and is known as a dirty player… secondly they broke Raymond’s back in a later game… as AV (who has criticized his own players for not keeping their heads up when they got concussed on high hits in the past) says, Marchand is going to get it if he continues to play with the intent to injure other players…

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      • athapap
        January 8, 2012

        I invite you to continue to comment and make my point for me.

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        • Canucks Supporter
          January 8, 2012

          You are right, Marchand is a dirty player and doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt in any case given his track record and reputation. You get a couple and then you get hurt or kicked out… you don’t get a clean slate every game, not even in the NHL…

          My thoughts on the Raymond hit are that Raymond has a much better case for self-defence than Marchand, as the puck is long gone… objectively speaking, let’s ask why Marchand is coming in high and hard there, regardless of who the player is, we must say that it is probably to try and catch Raymond unawares and deliver an intimidating or injurious check. In that case Raymond is defending himself from an illegal hit initiated by Marchand (also it doesn’t seem that there is much chance that Marchand will get injured on that play). With the play from last night, we should ask why Salo is coming in to to hit Marchand, and whether it makes sense… The puck is right there… he is just making a good hockey play… Marchand doesn’t really have a case to make a hit like that there. My thoughts on it.

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          • athapap
            January 8, 2012

            thank you – I’m sure Harrison is cringing

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        • FrancoL
          January 8, 2012

          Athapap, thanks for the examples and the evidence. Your points highlight the danger of low-bridge hits, and illustrate the need for the NHL to suspend players like Marchand who deliver them, especially when such hits result in an injury. Thank you.

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          • athapap
            January 8, 2012

            I couldn’t agree more. Any player that delivers an illegal hit that is an intent to injure or that dangerously takes advantage of a player in a vulnerable position should be suspended. It’s a sad reality that many fans – of all teams – cannot acknowledge when a player on their own team crosses the line.

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        • peanutflower
          January 8, 2012

          you just keeping saying that over that over…

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    • Arif
      January 8, 2012

      Right. Then they broke Raymond’s back in the next game when he was in a very vulnerable position. Certainly, 2 wrongs don’t make a right.

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    • Andrew
      January 8, 2012

      The difference is Raymond plays the puck and then goes to protect himself giving time for Marchand to avoid contact or shift body weight so he can roll off Raymond. Marchand fakes playing the puck and ducks at the last second not giving Sami any chance. Prior to that we saw him go shoulder to shoulder with Salo so if he was just protecting himself why did he not do it the first time. He was obviously pissed (thus the punches) at Salo for being stronger and rather than be a real man he submarines him. If Burrows did that to Chara you guys would be demanded he be banned from hockey and executed for murder.

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    • Davey B
      January 9, 2012

      You can’t deny that Raymond ducks here, but then how about showing the two previous times this was done by Marchand in the series. Once to a Sedin (I think Daniel) behind the net which he knew was a dirty play because he immediately dropped his gloves as Ballard came in, and the other to Raymond himself. I see this as Raymond repaying Marchand for the earlier hit (which doesn’t make it any more acceptable).

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  14. Cattreefever
    January 8, 2012

    Linesmen can’t call penalties for punched, what are you, new?

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    • tj
      January 8, 2012

      Hmm. I didn’t know that. Clearly the Bruins do.

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    • tj
      January 8, 2012

      Clearly the Bruins do know this…

      So, not knowing the minutae of the linesman duties, I did find over there at nhl.com that the linesmen does have a duty to ‘ report upon completion of play, any circumstances pertaining to (among other things):
      (i) Major penalties
      Rule 20
      (ii) Match penalties
      Rule 21
      (iii) Misconduct penalties
      Rule 22

      What should the call for punching a player in the face with the play is in motion?
      (iv) Game Misconduct penalties
      Rule 23
      (v) Abuse of Officials
      Rule 39
      (vi) Physical Abuse of Officials

      Rule 40
      (vii) Unsportsmanlike Conduct

      Rule 75
      (viii) Double-minor penalty when it is apparent that an injury has resulted from a high-stick that has gone undetected by the Referees

      Rule 60

      http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26320

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  15. Winsy
    January 8, 2012

    All depends on if the refs see it or not. If the refs don’t see it, they can’t call it. Any team during an NHL game will have both calls that are missed and bad calls. That’s just how it is.
    Like, the Bruins, there must be other teams out there that people think get favored over other teams.
    Question: does Boston play like that against EVERY team or is it just the Vancouver Canucks and the Montreal Canadiens? Those are the only two teams (fans) you hear trouble with Boston from. What are they like when they play Philly or the Rangers? I’d like to know.
    And yes, Keith Ballard had his infamous hipcheck (clipping-whatever) that everyone loved against McGinn in last year’s WC Finals (except for probably Sharks fans) and yes, Dan Hanhuis had his hipcheck (clipping) on Lucic in game 2 of the SCFs that sent him out with an injury, and clearly, Mason Raymond does it too. Some of the hits were called and some weren’t. Again, depends on refs and what they see.
    Perhaps they need to introduce a 3rd ref to scan the ice while the other 2 refs keep and eye on the puck?

    I am a Canucks fan, but I also don’t hate other teams because I LOVE hockey. There are players that I don’t like (even on my own teams), but not whole teams or organizations.

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  16. Winsy
    January 8, 2012

    One of the points Athapap is trying to get across is why was it okay for Bieksa and Raymond to do it, but not Marchand? I guess because Marchand got caught and Bieksa and Raymond didn’t? Can’t hand out a penalty as an after-thought.

    The difference in the Marchand-Salo hit was that Salo got hurt.

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  17. Winsy
    January 8, 2012

    However, I do agree that the “protecting” himself thing is BS! If he was scared, he probably shouldn’t have skated towards Salo… Salo is so scary… Yeah right!

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  18. Raftgeek
    January 8, 2012

    I would like to know what Boston’s coach would say if somebody ended Chara’s career with a low hit. Doesn’t seem like it would be hard to do and with his history of breaking necks and running guys and his coaches approach to “defending” oneself it would seem justified. I think he would sing a different tune however especially if it happened to more then one of their star players.
    The NHL has done everything it could to take fighting out and all it’s really done is made the league more dangerous. Mid nineties every team knew they had to have at least one guy that could stand up and defend his teammates. The new NHL without a doubt has made carrying a “goon” a disadvantage but has allowed players to cheap shot other guys without the appropriate physical pain of having your teeth knocked in. Most everybody makes a million a year so fines don’t matter much and neither to suspensions unless we are talking about the playoffs. There are a lot of guys playing in the league that don’t respect the other players on the ice. The “goon” had been there to make them at least respect that fact they might feel immediate physical pain if they stepped too far out of line. The third man in rule must be changed back, then the league can start to discipline itself on the ice.

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  19. Raftgeek
    January 8, 2012

    As a former Panther fan I loved Paul Laws and Peter Worrell. Teams we careful when those guys were playing the game. I own and skate in Peter’s rookie skates as a matter of fact. Those guys would never be able to play in today’s NHL and some think it’s a good thing. If we could count on the players to ref themselves and the NHL to fairly and consistently police the league they might not be needed but I don’t think either of those will ever happen. Too many things happen when the amount of money is a stake in the NHL.

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  20. Geoff-C-
    January 8, 2012

    I really should have learned my lesson by now. I spent the last 36 hours trying to explain that Marchand’s hit was retaliation for a slight bump from Salo, and that it was predatory based on the rabbit punches he and Chara threw after the hit. Next time I will just say give it a day and passitobulis will explain it much better then I can, and they will have pictures too.

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  21. kezzi
    January 9, 2012

    I agree with AV’s comments that if the league doesn’t deal with Marchand’s lack of respect of fellow players then someone will do it on the ice. It won the game for the Canucks in the end by letting him take the only penalty, but I was kinda hoping someone would just drive that little weasel (sorry real weasels, nothing personal) into the boards face first and injure him. But the Canucks are a team that is trying to play 21st century hockey and don’t want to stoop to the mid 70′s insanity of the NHL when the puck was a lonely and forgotten thing as thugs gooned it up. I hate to see the Bruins trying to bring that back to the sport, but it worked for the Flyers in the 70′s and is working for Boston. Their strategy both last spring and this weekend was to take the hockey out of the game, because their skill set isn’t as good as Vancouver’s and they know it. It’s the only way they can compete… by dragging the game into the gutter. Good for the Canucks to hang in there with them, but I’d sure like to see them find a ferocious fighter to settle crap like Marchand’s cowardly low bridge. I miss Rick Rypien. A young Bieksa was pretty fierce too…. he’s too valuable as a player now though. I wanna see this team get some SCARY monster tho. I know the Sedins don’t want players settling things on their account as they are seriously tough in a real way and play to win, not settle scores. But I’m tired of seeing other teams try to injure Hank in particular and tired of the lack of respect two of the league’s greatest players get. I’d like to see the Canucks “Semenko-ize” for their stars. He’s gotta be a crazy mean bastard though, who can at least skate. And not a cheapshot artist like Marchand.

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    • Andrew
      January 9, 2012

      See thats part of the problem. If Marshmont lays out Salo and we get some goon on our team to punch him as he turtles until their goons get there it changes nothing. Salo is still hurt and Marshmont will continue to low bridge guys because he is a dirty rat. I used to not care about fighting in hockey but now I think it has to go. But the NHL also needs to start suspending guys for more than a couple games and fine them more than $2500. In football if you get suspending for 1 game thats equal to about 5 games in the NHL which is why you see so few suspension in football because each game is important. If the minimum suspension became 5 games and you could fine guys 50K or more in addition to lost salary from those 5 games you would see a lot of guys clean up their acts. And the NHL would need to start enforcing ALL their rules ALL the time. What other league would send out a press release saying they are going to start enforcing Rule 22. If its a rule shouldnt it be enforced all the time? Than teams like the Bruins would spend an entire game in the penalty box and would have to quickly change how they play the game. Ya I am asking for the extreme and I know itll never happen but thats the only way you are going to get rid of the rats (not by having a bunch of goons around to protect the ones on your own team) and eliminate predatory and unneeded hits (to the head, knee, etc). Untill then its a game of russian roulette as far as who is next to have their career ended by a concussion or a knee-on-knee.

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      • madwag
        January 9, 2012

        i’ve been thinking they could take a page from soccer. anyone guilty of excessive force is red-carded (the equivalent of a game misconduct ) AND automatically suspended for five games (of course in soccer it’s only one game but as with football it’s a shorter season) and has to appear before a board to explain why the suspension shouldn’t be for a longer period of time. hockey, like soccer, could be a beautiful game. right now there are too many ugly incidents to deem it such.

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    • tCL of OTP
      January 9, 2012

      Here’s the problem with that: If you add muscle to beat Boston, you might not get past Chicago, Detroit, or San Jose, LA, or even Minnesota. And you need to get out of the West to get a chance to meet the Bruins, who themselves have to get out of the East. Mean bastards who can skate? Name them and tell me if they are available. Colton Orr was available, tough but wasn’t anywhere near the best 18 skaters on the Leafs. any one of 29 teams could have claimed him for half the price but none did. Those kinds of guys aren’t easy to find. The Bruins are unique in that they have a couple of guys who are that big and tough and talented to boot. Who wouldn’t love to have Lucic or Lucic in their lineup? But those players don’t grow on trees.

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    • stathead
      January 9, 2012

      I don’t agree: I think they love hockey and play great hockey, offense and defense, but overlaid with tactics that have a high risk of severely injuring other teams. It’s a winning strategy the way the NHL is officiated, because refs tend to even out the penalty calls – take this last game, when the Bruins initiated a lot of violence but we had only three fewer penalty minutes, because it was evened out through little things on our side like hooking calls.

      We won the game, but our success in future games is jeopardized by the irresponsible play that leads to injuries, especially in the playoffs at season’s end. There’s a lot more to the Stanley Cup than who is the “better” team: I may be the only fan in the world who thinks the President’s trophy is more indicative of a team’s hockey skill. :)

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  22. Cannots
    January 9, 2012

    thankfully the B’s wont have to face the cannots in the finals because…well, as we’ve seen, the ratty slimy version of hockey that the cannots play never wins. because well, the refs dont call games a shady as that

    btw, why has their been no mention of the DIRTY and COWARDLY 6 on 1 pile on the cannots had?
    (unny thing, one the Bruins got everybody in the cannots swiftly got beaten down

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    • peanutflower
      January 9, 2012

      I don’t — what language are you speaking here?

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      • shoes
        January 9, 2012

        i was just going to ask that….Bruinese or Bostonrantlish.??????

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    • Kirk
      January 10, 2012

      I don’t know about you, but if that happened in front of Boston’s bench, Burrows probably would’ve been piled on too…

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  23. Jeff Schimm
    January 9, 2012

    Funny, I believe it was Ballard had a similar “hip check” in the 1st period, no call. 7 Canucks on Thornton and Lucic gets tossed. And please don’t have the nerve to say Marchand would turtle. The little “rat” stands up to anyone. Can you honestly be proud of Weiss, or is that weasel??Let’s talk gutless turtle. I loved his facial expression when he goats Thornton, turtles, and gets the penalty too with the what did I do expression. The ref should have beat the crap out of him himself. NO HONOR!!There is a reason why 90% of Canadians wanted to see Vancouver lose last year. It’s the arrogant sense of nobility that team has.

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  24. brendan
    January 9, 2012

    I know you all apparently don’t have a problem with the Raymond hit on Marchand, but what about the Hamhuis hit on Lucic – – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFQEaZh-OFc

    Lucic didn’t have the puck, was trying to get around Hamhuis. No penalty was called.

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    • Daniel Wagner
      January 9, 2012

      The one immediately after Lucic dumped the puck in, you mean? He didn’t have the puck, but he had a moment earlier. Nothing wrong with that hit either.

      Differences between a hip check and what Marchand did: A hip check is made with, y’know, the hip, while Marchand led with his shoulder. A hip check involves a small bend of the knees and contact with the hip/upper thigh. Marchand dropped down to the point that one of his knees was essentially on the ice and made contact with Salo’s knees. Every single screen shot I’ve seen that “proves” the contact wasn’t to the knees completely ignores the part of Marchand’s body that is actually making the impact: his right shoulder.

      And…so much for my plan of not getting involved with this debate. Suffice it to say when independent observers around the league are disgusted with the hit and have no issues with hip checks, you might want to stop and actually find out why.

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    • Kara
      January 9, 2012

      [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJRZULaUF-8&w=560&h=315

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  25. Kate
    January 9, 2012

    Admittedly it’s hard to look at this objectively because I love Salo, and don’t think too highly of Marchand. But seriously, after seeing Marchand running around, punching Salo in the back of the head, he looks like such an ass. Trying so desperately to get Salo off his game, and when Salo doesn’t respond, Marchand just dumps him. A lot of players have these sort of game within the game chippiness with each other but this is pretty one-sided looking. Lately I feel like we have heard a lot of players owning up to bad hits, and saying yes I expect a phone call or something further….not Marchand.

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  26. Rich Bruins Fan
    January 9, 2012

    Marchand is a rat — in the mold of many other rats that have trolled NHL teams throughout history. Teams need to police better and make sure guys like him don’t get to take runs at guys. He isn’t a chicken either.. he is willing to drop gloves if need be, so at least he isn’t in category of Claude Lemieux. When he was hitting Salo, someone should have tuned up Marchand.

    Is hit dirty? Yes, but not much/any more so than Canucks recent hits on Lucic or Marchand. Granted those were last year, so if Shanahan wants to start suspending for these hits then I guess that is fine.

    Just is sad to me that we need NHL Suits to police the game that was previously policed by players. Maybe I’m just too old school.

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    • Kirk
      January 10, 2012

      Shouldn’t the refs be policing the game? I mean, isn’t that their job?

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  27. brendan
    January 9, 2012

    I love the reasons the Raymond hit isn’t dirty compared to the Marchand hit – the height difference?!?? between Marchand and Salo, guess I missed that rule, Raymond is a clean player, guess I missed the rule where every “clean” player gets 1 dirty hit without any consequence, and the best 1, it was self defense because he was about to be hit, which sounds exactly like what Marchand said. The Marchand hit was dirty and he should own up to it, like Burrows should have for biting. Every Bruins fan I’ve talked to believes that Marchand deserves some type of suspension. They don’t make lame excuses about height and self defense. I find it hilarious that the Bruins are a bunch of goons, but 6 Canuck players ganging up on Thornton is what, just a bad line change?

    The Raymond hit is just as dirty as the Marchand hit. The Humhuis hit is a borderline hip check at best. When independent observers around the league are disgusted with the hypocritical and disrespectful way Vancouver plays the game, you might want to stop and actually find out why.

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    • shoes
      January 9, 2012

      By independent observors…..you mean who exactly? Milbury, Cherry, and you of course…..anybody else independent out there?

      Your reasoning is flawed. Boston fans are unaware of what is was like to be called for crap like Marchands hits, because up until this game…..I don’t think they were. Marchand looks at times to be engaged to one or another of the referees…….I mean just look above at the two sucker punches before the dirty hit on Salo……why would neither of those be called? Explain yourself if you think the Bruins are so hard done by? I have never seen anybody on any team ever get away with that in open ice, full view of the refs and the VP of Operations up in the stands watching his boy and his boys bestest friends play hockey.

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      • brendan
        January 9, 2012

        I was referencing independent observors because Daniel Wagner suggested I find out why independent observers thought Marhand’s hit was dirty. I don’t have to find out why because it was dirty. I’m suggesting Van fans take the time to find out why there is such a distaste for how Vancouver plays and carries themselves from around the NHL. Do you think all the negative articles about the Canucks during the finals came from Boston? This paper and blog wrote several pieces defending the Canucks and decrying their treatment as whiners and divers. That attitude is prevalent throughout the league and didn’t just start during the finals.

        At least I can admit when my team does something wrong, you’re in denial. When 6 Canucks jumped Thornton ( was 6 before Sedin hightailed it to the bench) the Bruins somehow came out of that down 2 men. It happens, the refs make bad calls. Lucic was tossed, turns out is was a bad call. Yup Marchand punched Salo twice and didn’t get called. Lapierre jumped into that scrum as the 5th man and didn’t get called. My team lost, I don’t make excuses or play the whoe is me, the refs and league loves the Canucks card. Marchand was suspended once last year, has been suspended once this year, and will probably be suspended again. I’m not gonna whine about it. He deserves it.

        I suggest you take off the Canuck footie PJs and realize all teams have their share of dirty plays and players.

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        • shoes
          January 9, 2012

          yes…spanky…before this game the Bruins were squeeky clean…..now its “all teams have dirty players” Good we are making headway….Now that Marchand has recieved his 3rd hearing and 2nd suspension (this one 5 games) please tell me when Burrows has ever been suspended for anything ever.

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  28. Scott
    January 9, 2012

    @brendan I love that you think Raymond hit Marchand. Raymond has the puck. He passes the puck… he continues up ice. Marchand runs at him. Raymond has nowhere to go. Marchand wants to finish his check. He misses and goes flying.

    Love Bruins’ fans and their passion for the game. And the only thing we will ever agree on is the bad reffing.

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    • brendan
      January 9, 2012

      So any player about to be hit gets to undercut someone? Marchand felt he was about to be hit and had nowhere to go and had no choice but to flip Salo – do you buy that? I love Marchand and I don’t buy that. Marchand didn’t have to flip Salo and Raymond didn’t have to flip Marchand.

      I agree about the passion, that’s what made Saturdays game great!

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  29. Andrew
    January 9, 2012

    I’m not a Canuck fan or a Bruin fan…but one thing is clear to any hockey fan…the Bruins have a wonderful goalie and some skilled players, but they are hands down the thugs of the NHL. The dirtiest team in the league and their fans wear it as a badge of honor now that they won the cup.

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  30. Leafs Fan
    January 16, 2012

    “You should send this article to the NHL head office right now, so they can see what really happened. Do it.”

    Why not send it to the Academy Awards? Salo could win best supporting actor in a tragedy.

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