Here’s a video of a talking dog. Hockey game? What hockey game? I don’t know what you’re talking about.

Canucks 0 – 4 Bruins

12 goals against in two games? A hot goaltender shutting out the Canucks in one of those games? Luongo getting pulled and talk of a goaltending controversy? This all sounds very familiar. In Round One, the Canucks lost the plot after going up 3-0 against the Blackhawks, losing 7-2 and 5-0. The hope was that the Canucks would learn their lesson from these two collapses. Instead, in the Stanley Cup Final, the Canucks stopped playing their game, losing 8-1 and now 4-0 tonight. It’s frustrating. It’s infuriating. It’s unwatchable. Therefore, I did the impossible: I watched this game.

  • First things first: Luongo will start Game 5. There’s not a chance he won’t. If anyone thinks Schneider should start has a problem with their long-term memory. Has Luongo been good in the last two games? No. Has he been awful? No. Would the Canucks be in the Stanley Cup Final without him? Also no. It is absolutely shameful how quickly Vancouver fans turn on Luongo. Two games ago he was supposedly a frontrunner for the Conn Smythe and was receiving lofty praise for his calm, cool, and collected style. Two games behind some of the worst defense the Canucks have played all season and Luongo gets thrown under the bus. It upsets me.
  • Here’s an example: Canucks.com has a poll up asking what the most impressive stat was from Game 4: Ballard’s 6 blocked shots, Ehrhoff’s 7 shots, Lapierre going 7-for-12 on faceoffs, Schneider’s 9 saves and 0 goals against, or Kesler’s 5 hits. Idiotically, Schneider’s 9 saves is running away with it. Seriously? The game was already over.
  • Another example of long-term memory problems: after the two blowouts in the Chicago series, Vigneault brought in Cory Schneider, just like a lot of fans and “experts” thought he should. Schneider cost them that game with some rookie mistakes. Some people will try to re-write history and point out that Luongo let in the game-winning goal in overtime, but the Canucks would have won in regulation without the mental errors of Schneider. People seem to forget that he is still a rookie. You do not use a rookie in this situation in the Stanley Cup Final.
  • That said, Luongo needs to be better. He’s been hung out to dry in the last two games, but he is capable of stealing games when the Canucks are outplayed. Instead, he failed to cover his five-hole with his stick and got beat, over-anticipated a shot and couldn’t recover when it was deflected, and directed a rebound right into a player charging towards the net. The only goal he couldn’t be faulted on was the third, in which Ballard got tripped behind the net and didn’t recover in time to intercept a pass to the wide-open Marchand in front.
  • Offensively, there were some positive signs: the Sedins created a number of good scoring chances, particularly in the first period, but weren’t always able to get a shot on net. Henrik had a golden opportunity early but appeared to break his stick. The defense jumped up into the play more effectively than Game 3, particularly Ehrhoff and Edler. Unfortunately, all of this improved offensive play meant nothing: the Bruins were too effective at forcing bad angle shots from the outside and when the puck went into the Canucks zone, their previously strong transition game disappeared. The Canucks defensive play was absolutely atrocious
  • The Bruins’ first goal was the result of a poor decision by Edler and poor gap control by Salo. Edler stepped up into the neutral zone to make a hit, Salo was too far over and too far up ice to cover the gap, and Rich Peverley had a breakaway from the blueline in. To make matters worse, Luongo played it horribly: he clearly anticipated an earlier shot, dropping to his butterfly. As soon as he feared Peverley might deke, he began moving his stick for a pokecheck, leaving his five-hole wide open. Unlike the Canucks’ defense and goaltender, Peverley made no mistake.
  • The second period was once again ugly for the Canucks. After the two quick goals, the game was essentially over. The Bruins were able to clog up the neutral zone like Dynamic Edition and prevent any real goal-scoring opportunities throughout the rest of the game. Any hope of a comeback in the third period was cut short by a phantom slashing call on Henrik Sedin less than a minute in. Not long after Henrik got out of the box, Peverley went hard to the net and got a luck bounce to make it a 4-0 game, bringing in Schneider.
  • Ugh. Writing about this game is painful. I need a silly GIF break:

  • Much better.
  • At the beginning of the game, Bobby Orr was in the house to wave a Nathan Horton flag. Boston crowd went absolutely haywire. Stephen Harper was also in the house. The Boston crowd took no notice. Maybe if he had been wearing a Canucks jersey the Boston crowd might have known he was from Canada.
  • After he was one of the worst defensemen on the ice on Monday, Ehrhoff bounced back and played very well. He was active down the boards and jumping up into the rush, but wasn’t caught out of position for any odd-man rushes the other way. He had a game-high 7 shots, was the only Canucks defenseman with an even plus/minus rating, and played 22:43.
  • Unfortunately, he didn’t do anything to help the Canucks powerplay, which has been absolutely awful in this series. There’s a trickle-down effect: if the powerplay can’t capitalize, the Canucks can’t punish the Bruins for their chippy play, which leads to frustration and dumb penalties born of that frustration. If the Canucks score a goal on one of their first period powerplays, this is a different game.
  • Was it just me or did Don Cherry seem more coherent? I suspect it was because he was wearing a normal-looking suit. Does the style of suit he wears influence his opinions and ability to speak like a normal person? Which came first, the crazy or the suit?
  • An interesting trend I’ve noticed in this series is that the Canucks are shooting the puck in from behind centre directly on Thomas and creating turnovers on the forecheck. Rather than gaining centre and sending in a more traditional dump-in, they’re using the time that it takes for Thomas to distribute the puck to his defensemen to close the gap. This is good, because they haven’t been able to carry the puck into the zone worth a damn and their normal dump-ins are creating nothing. It’s actually been one of their most effective tactics in gaining the zone.
  • If any Bruins fan wants to claim that the Canucks are the dirtier team, Marchand and Mcquaid handily disproved that theory. Up 4-0, Marchand horse-collared Ehrhoff, then low-bridged Daniel Sedin right next to the boards after the whistle. Kudos to Ballard for sticking up for his teammates by dropping the gloves — it’s about the only thing he did right in this game. Ehrhoff, who looked like he was originally going to challenge Marchand, backed off, then got sucker-punched by Mcquaid. After Ehrhoff got up, he attempted to skate away when Mcquaid dropped the gloves and went after him again. Completely classless and gutless actions from Mcquaid. He had 12 fights this season; Ehrhoff had none.
  • The altercation between Thomas and Burrows at the end of the game was an interesting one. It can be argued that both players had it coming. Burrows bumped the butt end of Thomas’s stick and it was clearly intentional. That doesn’t really excuse the ugly hack to the knee that Thomas responded with, but he claims that the Canucks have been doing that all series. Good. They should keep doing it. If it was in a closer game, I would have been upset at Burrows for retaliating with the crosscheck on Thomas as it would have removed a powerplay opportunity. In that game, I have no problem with it.
  • Ballard showed why Vigneault doesn’t trust him much with some bad giveaways. He also recovered from those turnovers for the most part and blocked 6 shots. He wouldn’t have to block that many shots if he didn’t give the puck away. He’s capable of playing better, but he needs to simplify his game. Too often he was trying to make pretty passes instead of clearing the puck or making the simple D-to-D pass. He also didn’t mesh well with Bieksa at all. Both players are puck-carriers, which led to confusion on breakouts and an inability to transition out of the zone.
  • Finally, when the Canucks win, fans seem to forget that it’s even possible for them to lose. After two narrow victories at home, the hubris in the Canucks fanbase was astonishing. CBC even showed a fan in Boston posing for pictures with a broom in hand. Then, when they lose, fans seem to forget that they have ever won a game. A friend of mine even suggested that Vigneault would get fired if the Canucks didn’t win the cup. Let’s get some perspective: yes, these were two ugly losses. They don’t erase the fact that the Canucks have won the President’s Trophy, gotten to the Stanley Cup Final, and have successfully recovered from terrible losses both in the regular season and the postseason. The Canucks didn’t suddenly stop being a good team, they just had two bad games.
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126 comments

  1. DanD
    June 9, 2011

    Thank you for your calm and witty perspective. As always! Here’s a couple of things I noticed.

    - I think you guys tweeted about this, but the way Rogers Arena cheered Luongo leaving the net was embarrassing. I wonder if Thomas would get ripped that bad for having 1 or 2 bad games. I’m starting to see why the rest of Canada doesn’t like us so much.

    - Also, I tweeted this stat to you guys, but I’m going to mention it here too. CBC mentioned that Boston is 10-4 in games where they’ve been outshot. That means they’ve been outshot in 14 out of 21 games. Two thirds of their games! Is it just me, or is that a lot of games to be outshot in a Stanley Cup run? It certainly says a lot about Thomas, but I think it says something about the Bruins’ style. They seem to have the “collapse around the crease” mentality on D for sure, followed by a quick “breakout and hope we score” approach on offense. It’s the kind of plan that can be countered if the Canucks are stronger defensively. Just an observation.

    - Any thoughts on the ice conditions? I think the bad ice definitely favoured the Bruins. I had a friend mention the Bruins were basically creating those ice conditions on purpose. I’m not ready to believe that, but I do think that the GM place ice will be a pretty big advantage for the style the Canucks play.

    It’s good to get this stuff off the chest after another tough loss. PITB is so therapeutic.

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    • PetriSkriko
      June 9, 2011

      There’s a common misconception about being outshot I think. When a team gets a lead (and a team in the Stanley Cup Finals will get the lead more often than not throughout the playoffs), they often play defensively, allowing more shots than they take. And with Chara and Thomas back there, sitting on a lead is pretty effective for Boston.

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    • Shantini
      June 9, 2011

      Quick thing about Rogers Arena – I was there, and I don’t think everyone cheered about Luongo being pulled. They just cheered every time they showed us on CBC. Bad timing.

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      • DanD
        June 9, 2011

        Ah, that makes sense Shantini! I should certainly hope that was the case.

        Also, good point Petri. Although with the Canucks vs. Bruins series I feel that the Bruins are being outplayed as much as they’re being outshot.

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      • Harrison Mooney
        June 9, 2011

        Bad timing indeed. I think the timing may have been a tad malicious on CBC’s part.

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        • Boston fan
          June 20, 2011

          yeah, CBC maliciously painted the wonderful fans in Vancouver in poor light.
          yikes

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    • Mary
      June 9, 2011

      I was there too, with some family members. We noticed that people cheered whenever they thought CBC was showing the Roger’s Arena crowd on TV, regardless of what was happening. Also, I think there were a couple of instances when they used stock footage of the arena crowd instead of live shots.

      The other thing that making me batty is the insistence by some media that the people were cheering when Luongo was pulled. That’s not totally fair. Yes, some people in the crowd did – one very loud anti-Luongo voice (who had complained all night already) then proceeded to complain quite loudly about the price of beer, then announced that they were leaving – with TEN MINUTES left in the third. Yikes. I found that a lot of people there were having the same thoughts I did – feeling badly for Lou but proud of Schneider for coming in and doing his thing when asked to do so.

      Okay, rant over. Thank you PITB, for keeping relatively calm and making sense. :)

      ALSO: I truly believe the Canucks will give their collective consciousness a shake and come back strongly in Game 5, and I will be cheering as loudly and proudly as I can. GO CANUCKS GO!

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    • baparick
      June 9, 2011

      the ice conditions were the same for both teams , so check that off the excuse list.Fact is that the Bruins want the Cup.
      The reason why The Canucks aren’ t ” Playing Their Game ” as Daniel W. points out is simple : the Bruins finally got tired of watching them do it. They are taking away the two things that Sedins and company thrive on : Time and Space.
      Hockey 101 : forecheck , backcheck , paycheck.
      Even the “less talented” team can win by applying that principle.
      Good luck in Game 5

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      • PetriSkriko
        June 9, 2011

        That was weirdly civil…

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  2. Karen
    June 9, 2011

    Ahhhh, thank you for this IWTG. I’ve been psychotically checking PITB every 20 minutes all morning.

    I have no idea what was going on with the D pairings, but when I checked in on what went down at practice yesterday morning and saw that they had Ballard and Bieksa paired together, my reaction was rather colourful. And then justified by the way they played in the game. Canucks are missing Hamhuis… no way around that.

    Agree that Ballard needs to simplify… also could explain why he played well with Tanev in the regular season and SJ series. Had to simplify in order to play effectively with the rookie.

    Canucks better regroup in time for tomorrow’s game though, otherwise it might be time for us to start exercising our pool-flipping muscles. I know, I know… flip with the knees, not the back.

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    • PetriSkriko
      June 9, 2011

      “flip with the knees, not the back”

      Tell that to Hamhuis. A week ago. Please.

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      • Karen
        June 9, 2011

        Ahhh, that just made my day :)

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  3. Zelmo
    June 9, 2011

    Call me naive but I honestly believe that the majority of fans at Rogers were cheering in support of Luongo. It was like a tap on the pads with the stick. Can anybody who was there call it differently?

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    • Karen
      June 9, 2011

      I would consider believing that, if I hadn’t also heard about the sarcastic cheer when Schneider made his first save. But I wasn’t there, so I can’t say for sure.

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    • Shantini
      June 9, 2011

      It was definitely a supportive crowd. I think CBC’s cuts to the arena were just poorly timed. And the cheers for Schneider were totally sincere – every time he made a save he got a, “Way to go, buddy” sort of rally from the crowd.

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      • Brad
        June 9, 2011

        Please for the love of god, someone tell that to the Canucks. The last thing they need is to think we would cheer for Luo being taken out!

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      • Jo
        June 9, 2011

        I agree. Where I was at, the crowd was disappointed at certain plays but still supportive and I thought – generally glad and proud to be there supporting their team. No one in my section left early, no one jeered Lu, and the general feeling seemed to be to cheer Schneids on in a tough situation – knowing what he has also done for this team and that he was playing in front of his hometown crowd. We were proud of him – and he deserved our support regardless of the circumstances that led to him being in.

        I was saddened to hear how HNIC interpreted the incident. A big assumption was made – and once again, it was at Lu’s expense. If the crowd really felt the way HNIC talked of it – I would have expected the boos/jeering whatever to start when goal 4 went in. I heard none of that. The cheers did not occur when Lu was shown or when he left the ice. They occurred when Schneider was shown. I can only speak for myself – but I cheered because in a moment of disappointment – when Lu showed a brief glimpse that he might be mortal after all – there was hope that it was okay, because Cory’s a part of this team too – and last night he did his job, and game him my support

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        • vancityt
          June 9, 2011

          And Bruce Arthur tweeting about it being a big ‘boo’ didn’t help.

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  4. PetriSkriko
    June 9, 2011

    Totally agree with you on the fickleness of the fanbase, but you have to admit sometimes this team makes it difficult to stay even-keeled as a fan. We often look nearly invincible, but at the same time we seem to have the market cornered on spectacular collapses.

    But you’re right, perspective is important. One win at home on Friday, and we have two games to close out for the Stanley Cup.

    Stay strong, Vancouver. Stay gold, Ponyboy.

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  5. Shantini
    June 9, 2011

    I really like that video of the talking dog.

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  6. TheWellwoods
    June 9, 2011

    I don’t envy you having to write this article. That was a tough game to watch. And now all I’m hearing is people blaming Luongo and yelling for Schneider to start. As a goalie, ONLY I should be allowed to blame the goalie!

    As counterintuitive as it sounds, Luongo’s game suffers when he tries too hard. Watch the second goal again, and watch his left pad. He fully extends his leg on a shot that goes in between his glove and his head. Even if he had knocked that puck down, he would have had to reload his leg to get to a rebound. It’s not an efficient move, and he knows it. If Luongo was in the “zone” he would have butterflied.

    The same goes for the breakaway goal. Rotating the blocker like that is never the right move. It’s something I see a lot of when I coach young goalies. It means that their weight is too far back and they’re not keeping their hands in front of them.

    Lu is going to bring it in Game 5. He’s been a goalie since before most of the people blaming him here born, and he knows what he did wrong.

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  7. emde
    June 9, 2011

    Another fine recap, win or lose I always feel better after reading IWTG.
    The one thing I’ve notcied is the eerie similarities between these past two games and games 4&5 in the first round. From Luongo letting in ton of goals, the struggle’s on D and the failure of the forwards to generate any kind of offense. Hoping that the team can come out of this tailspin like they did that one.

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  8. Chicky
    June 9, 2011

    Ok, last night I was sorely tempted to flip my kids’ inflatable pool… thank goodness it’s been so cold that there’s no water in it yet.

    That being said, I agree… Lu is not our problem here. Sure, he “could’ve” played better, but hell the entire team should’ve played better. They should definitely put him in net to start Friday. Being on home ice with a supportive crowd will give him the much needed boost he deserves from the fans.

    Speaking of, those lucky fans who are IN Rogers Arena tomorrow better be loud for the entire 60 minutes. Anything less is simply not good enough.

    And because I’m the cautious type, I’m not filling that pool until the fat lady sings.

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  9. bergberg
    June 9, 2011

    Can you guys explain to me why AV is putting guys like Rome and Ballard on his top pairing with Bieska? One of your top D is injured, why are you moving guys up from the bottom (Ballard hasn’t even played most of the games) instead of doing some shuffling around in the middle to find Bieksa a better partner. The pressure of being in that role I’m sure must have had some influence on Rome stepping up his aggressiveness, and look what happened. Plus, Bieksa isn’t as readily available to jump up leaving those guys alone on the backend, so that pretty much negates Bieksa’s scoring chances – and he has been great for us in the playoff run.

    I just can’t understand it.

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    • Chicky
      June 9, 2011

      I would think so that he could maintain the current d pairings that have been playing together through out the playoffs.

      Don’t get me wrong, it’s a big hole missing with Hamhuis, but I’d like at least 2 consistent D lines out there that know and play well with each other.

      Bad enough the apple cart is bouncy already, don’t want it completely upset.

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      • bergberg
        June 9, 2011

        Yeah, normally I would agree with that. But its not like the other D pairings have been working well together anyway, so why not try to find something else that works? The Canucks had to switch up their D pairings all year due to injuries and ended up with the Presidents Trophy, so I don’t know why AV would fear mixing them up now.

        Here’s hoping for the best in Game 5. Go Canucks Go!

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    • PetriSkriko
      June 9, 2011

      Yeah, I don’t really understand why he doesn’t pair Bieksa with Salo… do they play the same side or something? I’d feel good about the pairs being Edler-Ehrhoff, Bieksa-Salo, and Ballard-Tanev. But I’m not the coach, and one would hope that AV has his reasons for pairing the D like he has.

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      • Daniel Wagner
        June 9, 2011

        Keep in mind, Bowness is the guy running the defense. I completely agree with your suggested D-pairings, but let’s just remember that AV isn’t necessarily the architect of Bieksa-Ballard.

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        • PetriSkriko
          June 9, 2011

          Aye. Good point.

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      • Sidius
        June 9, 2011

        He (AV or Bowness) wouldn’t play those D pairs because Bieksa and Salo are both right handed shots who play the right side. It doesn’t make any sense. It’s not always about putting our “best” d-men together in pairs. Ehrhoff and Bieksa also wouldn’t work because they’re both puck carrying d-men. Edler and Salo look good together most nights so what does that leave?

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        • Daniel Wagner
          June 9, 2011

          They’ve shown a willingness throughout the season to use defensemen on their off side, but you have a point. Salo and Bieksa are both right-handed shots, but their styles of play seem like they would complement each other nicely. Still, they’re unlikely to put them together.

          What does that leave? I guess that leaves Tanev or Alberts with Bieksa. Neither Tanev nor Alberts are well-suited for big minutes, but Alberts can be effective when he doesn’t hang on to the puck too long. I’d be nervous about putting Tanev in that spot, that’s for sure. So…Bieksa-Alberts, Edler-Salo, and Ehrhoff-Ballard. That last pairing scares me almost as much as Bieksa-Ballard. I’d be more comfortable with Edler-Ehrhoff and Ballard-Salo. That might be a workable option.

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        • PetriSkriko
          June 9, 2011

          I think you can pair two puck-carrying D, as long as they compliment each other, Lidstrom and Rafalski would be a good example. With Hamhuis out and with Boston not having one line that you truly need to shut down, I’d like to see them somehow pair the top 4, and leave the bottom pair (any of Ballard/Alberts/Tanev) with as few minutes as possible. We’re down to the last games of the SCF, time to ride our horses.

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      • FK
        June 10, 2011

        Edler Ehrhoff scares the shit out of me…these guys are too prone to silly mistakes and giveaways recently

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  10. Chicky
    June 9, 2011

    Oh, and I’m pretty sure that I’ve seen that Spidey episode. At least once or twice.

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  11. Blaise
    June 9, 2011

    Ken Dryden, Pat Roy, Cam Ward. Rookie goaltenders who won the Stanley Cup. At least there’s only 11 more years of Luongo!

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    • Daniel Wagner
      June 9, 2011

      Of note: none of those players were just tossed into a Game 5 in the Stanley Cup Final.

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  12. BrosefStalin
    June 9, 2011

    Thank you for being the only writer I have seen so far that has not completely and utterly roasted Luongo. He is no doubt struggling, but so is the team around him

    I was at Rogers Arena for yesterday’s game, and honestly I thought the wild cheering in the stadium whenever Schneider touched the puck wasn’t a great thing. Call me cynical, but I thought the cheers represented much of the fan base desperately trying to justify to themselves that putting Schneider in (even if only to relieve Luongo for a spell) was the right thing to do in their bandwagon-influenced minds (also known as Gallagher Syndrome).

    It made me quite sad :(

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  13. peanutflower
    June 9, 2011

    Bravo for sticking up for Luongo. Great article. The best-polished turd I have ever seen. The game wasn’t that bad. Ballard, well, he’s running out of chances and it’s not fair because that was the worst defensive pairing AV could have come up with — both D who like to pinch and play and puck. Ballard and Tanev is an excellent pairing, and then someone else with Bieksa. Salo maybe. I just hate the way Boston plays, mostly because the Canucks are having difficulty playing that way. Did anyone notice — either the Boston crowd was about 10 times louder than Rogers Arena or CBC turned up the crowd noise. Which is it?

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  14. Daniel Wagner
    June 9, 2011

    The Vancouver Sun currently has a poll up on which goalie should start Game 5. Incredibly, Schneider is leading the poll. I have never been more disappointed in Vancouver hockey fans. Hell, why not start Eddie Lack? He’s the only Canucks goalie who hasn’t let in a goal in these playoffs…

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    • PetriSkriko
      June 9, 2011

      Bad Vancouver media is bad. This is why we come to PITB :)

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    • peanutflower
      June 9, 2011

      I was going to hit the like button, but should I hit the dislike button instead? What am I liking? That poll is incredibly horrible, so I asked every sports columnist and sports editor at the Sun to take it down. I don’t imagine they will, but I feel better inside…

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      • kim r
        June 9, 2011

        You can like the fine comment from Mr. Wagner. ;)

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    • Karen
      June 9, 2011

      The Province is encouraging fans to write in with suggestions of what they’d do if they were AV. I started to read some of the postings, but they made my brain hurt. Mainly because I got tired of reading “start Schneider” over and over and over again. I may have suffered a partial stroke when I read “maybe add Volpatti?” *facepalm*

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      • Karen
        June 9, 2011

        I should mention that some of the postings are of the rational sort.

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    • vancityt
      June 9, 2011

      I expressed my disappointment with Van hockey fans to my mother last night. Apparently, in our family, we can talk politics and religion without a problem, but not hockey. She’s not speaking to me now. Seriously messed up.

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    • Mikita's Helmet
      June 10, 2011

      seven goals on the last 23 shots Luongo faced

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  15. Neil HD
    June 9, 2011

    Still waiting for that monster to hit Spidey…

    waiting…

    waiting…

    waiting…

    ugh…

    It’s crap like the Canucks’ back-end breakdowns that make me this restless.

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    • kim r
      June 9, 2011

      Check out the google logo. That’ll keep you busy too!

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      • peanutflower
        June 9, 2011

        scared the heck out of me until I figured it out

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  16. peter diamond
    June 9, 2011

    Nicely summed up. A good balanced perspective, positive while remaining realistic.
    I really must start coming to this blog rather than diving into the rat’s nest of the canucks.com forums

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    • Harrison Mooney
      June 9, 2011

      Yes, you must.

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    • Dave
      June 9, 2011

      Why would *anybody* frequent the Canucks.com forum? Even when the Canucks are winning?

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      • Bieksa4Mayor
        June 9, 2011

        Sometimes I post my essays for school there so all the grammar gets corrected.

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  17. Scott
    June 9, 2011

    Great article bud, Valid points about Luo and the Canucks! I still believe in this team and will not give up on them! A true fan stands behind their team through the good and bad. GO CANUCKS GO!!!

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  18. Sanstanya
    June 9, 2011

    @ Petri, et al

    Yes Bieksa and Salo play the same side, so I would not suggest pairing them. They and Tanev are the only right-hand shooting d-men in the whole system I think.

    As Edler is supposed to be our “best all-around D” according to many I would like to see him with Biekas under these circumstances (despite how poorly he’s looked at times lately).

    The only other option in my mind is Alberts (can’t believe I am saying this) as he is the only true stay-at-home we have left which might let Bieksa be Bieksa, and honestly he has been the best D-man of the crew over the past 2 games in my mind. That said it is hard to imagine him holding his own in a top-pairing shut-down role all the way to a Stanley Cup victory.

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  19. BruinsAreAlive
    June 9, 2011

    Let me change something on this blog for you, Mr Wagner.

    Up 4-0, Marchand horse-collared Ehrhoff, then low-bridged Daniel Sedin right next to the boards after the whistle. Was it dirty? Yes it was … but what happened after that is what shows us more.

    After the whistle Ballard comes to Sedin’s defence … good for him … but Marchand doesn’t turtle … he drops the gloves too. We’re on.

    Ehrhoff, who looked like he was originally going to challenge Marchand, backed off … he didn’t want to be the third man in … but he had dropped his stick and his gloves, so McQuaid challenged him. So what does Ehrhoff do? He turtled.

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    • Daniel Wagner
      June 9, 2011

      Watch it again, mein freund. I never said that Marchand turtled. To his credit, he dropped his gloves and engaged with Ballard. Watch Ehrhoff: his gloves are still on when he skates up to Marchand. They’re still on when he backs off. They’re still on when he gets sucker punched by Mcquaid. When he gets up, he drops one glove to check his face for blood as he skates away. That’s when Mcquaid jumps him again. Watch the video: Ehrhoff still has one glove on. He never dropped his gloves to fight either Marchand or Mcquaid.

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      • BruinsAreAlive
        June 9, 2011

        Ok .. I will watch again …

        What is the difference between Ballard jumping Marchand and McQuaid jumping Ehrhoff?

        The only difference is that Marchand didn’t turtle and Ehrhoff did.

        You credit Ballard for the challenge. I do too. He stuck up for Sedin.

        Doesn’t McQuaid have the same right when he suspects Ehrhoff is trying to help Ballard?

        McQuaid did what Ballard did. He came to a teammate’s defence … yet you praise Ballard and trash McQuaid.

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        • Daniel Wagner
          June 9, 2011

          Oh please. Marchand was already dropping his gloves when Ballard got to him. He knew he was going to have to fight after cheaply dumping Sedin after the whistle. Ehrhoff was already skating away when Mcquaid sucker punched him with his gloves still on. It was weak, gutless, and classless. To go after him the second time? Even worse.

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          • BruinsAreAlive
            June 9, 2011

            LOL. You don’t seem to get it.

            Marchand dropped the gloves because he doesn’t turtle … It’s that simple. He knew he had to fight and he fought. It’s what hockey players outside of Vancouver do.

            Nobody HAS TO fight, and the Canucks are proof of that.

            Marchand could have done what your players do after the hit. He could have run away … he could have turtled … he could have snapped his head back and acted like someone shot him …. he could have grabbed his head and face and faked getting hit.

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            • Daniel Wagner
              June 9, 2011

              Meh. All you’re doing right now is defending a blatant sucker punch from a gutless player by saying that Ehrhoff should have fought, ignoring the fact that the first punch came with gloves on with Ehrhoff having no opportunity to drop the gloves and fight. Just keep reaching…I’m sure if you reach just a little bit further you might convince me.

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              • BruinsAreAlive
                June 9, 2011

                Ehrhoff had every “opportunity” to drop the gloves … he chose not to … but if we are to listen to critically canuck, he didn’t drop his purse.

                Again .. I am out of here … just let Harrison write this column after the next game … PLEASE.

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    • biff
      June 9, 2011

      What no one has mentioned is that, after Marchand clothes-lined Ehroff, the whistle was blown. After the whistle, Daniel Sedin moved in to check Marchand. Marchand ducking Sedin was a dangerous play. But Sedin had no business charging him after the whistle had blown.

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      • Daniel Wagner
        June 9, 2011

        He was charging him? Looked like he intended to engage Marchand in a scrum, just like has happened all series after almost every single whistle.

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        • biff
          June 9, 2011

          My bad. Charging is too strong a word; it is a Sedin after all. But scrum? What scrum? Not to get all JFK here, but I’m watching this play frame by frame and there’s no “scrum” for Sedin to join. After cuffing Ehroff, Marchand is alone at the end boards, the whistle blows and he relaxes for a split-second. Meanwhile, just before the whistle, Sedin is still inside the face-off circle about fifteen feet away from Marchand. The whistle’s blown, Sedin keeps going towards Marchand, leaning in with his shoulder to check him. At the last second, Marchand notices Sedin and ducks, sticking his hip out — not a clean play, but it’s Sedin’s momentum that carries him over. The fact is, Sedin was going in for a late hit after the whistle. No one got hurt and Marchand got three minors on three different players in a three second play. From my couch, that play start to finish is unbelievably awesome, as good as anything from “Slapshot”.

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          • Daniel Wagner
            June 9, 2011

            Someone has to start a scrum for there to be one. If you actually think Sedin was looking to make a hit there, then I just don’t know what to say to you.

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            • biff
              June 9, 2011

              Not sure I buy your “scrum logic”. In slo-mo, Sedin is clearly going in for a check, his body is turned and he’s leaning in with his shoulder. If you choose not to see it, then I just don’t know what to say to you. At any rate, we can agree to disagree.

              By the way, I’m giving Sedin credit here. It’s possible he might not have heard the whistle and he was sticking up for a teammate by trying to hit Marchand with a clean shoulder check. No shame in that.

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      • Anonymous
        June 9, 2011

        Sedin stopped skating when the whistle was blown. I really don’t get why Bruins fans are saying he was taking at run at Marchand.

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  20. whisky jack
    June 9, 2011

    hockey

    it’s just a game that people play
    those really good do it for pay
    others watch and rave and rant
    their comments have a biased slant

    they claim one team is truly mean
    and point out things that they have seen
    remaining blind to other facts
    concerning how their own team acts

    and as they’re playing for a cup
    fans truly have their danders up
    believing it would be a sin
    mayhap the evil team should win

    it’s just a game that people play
    how many children died today

    Over 22,000 children die every day around the world. That is equivalent to:
    1 child dying every 4 seconds 15 children dying every minute Just under 8.1 million children dying every year Some 88 million children dying between 2000 and 2009 The silent killers are poverty, hunger, easily preventable diseases and illnesses, and other related causes. Despite the scale of this daily/ongoing catastrophe, it rarely manages to achieve, much less sustain, prime-time, headline coverage.
    Global issues.org/article/715

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    • IainW
      June 9, 2011

      I am shocked and dismayed that people down-vote this, Thanks for the perspective Whisky Jack!

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  21. scarlet ibis
    June 9, 2011

    I will not gloat, that’s not my way,
    Although the glib will have their say,
    Deriding those who did not play
    As well they might some other day.

    Besides it is not really done
    Until Lord Stanley’s Cup is won,
    And being still three games to go
    Which team will win no one can know.

    And if one pauses to reflect,
    There is this truth they will detect:
    It’s just two groups of little boys
    Still playing with their little toys.

    As life persists on Planet Earth,
    One questions what a Ring is worth.

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    • baparick
      June 9, 2011

      BC HYDRO —-”GOOOOOOD”

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  22. Cathylu
    June 9, 2011

    I was also waiting patiently for your words of wisdom. Thanks. My husband and I were at the game and the fans were ridiculous and crazy. I can’t help but think the Bruins thrive on that. Can’t wait for Friday’s game.

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  23. BruinsAreAlive
    June 9, 2011

    If you want to debate GUTLESS, go to the Montreal Canadiens’ blog … they hate Marchand and they hate the Bruins … but you’ll be surprised if you read what they are saying about Vancouver’s little fairies.

    Heck even someone on your staff (critically canuck) on this site writes: “not to mention the ever present purse swinging of Christian Ehrhoff.”

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    • Daniel Wagner
      June 9, 2011

      This blog has no connection whatsoever to critically canuck. And I don’t give a damn what some Montreal Canadiens blog says. I don’t think it would be possible for me to care less about what they have to say.

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      • BruinsAreAlive
        June 9, 2011

        I think I hurt your feelings. I apologize. I am out of here.

        Can we get Harrison to write the “I watched this game” column next time? I liked his column after Game 3 … he writes well, he’s not a ball washer and he’s funny.

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        • Daniel Wagner
          June 9, 2011

          I don’t have feelings. I had them surgically removed when I became a Canucks fan: too much emotional pain otherwise.

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        • baparick
          June 9, 2011

          Hey Bruins Are Alive Guy.Right On Brother !
          Finally , someone who says it like it is. Then what does the “host” do ? He hides your comment do to “low comment rating”.
          Mr. Mooney does that to me too on his page.But some of us have to speak the truth here or is it for ” freinds” only.

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          • Daniel Wagner
            June 9, 2011

            *sigh*

            No one hides the comments. The site is set up to auto-hide comments that get lots of negative votes. Those votes come from the readers and the system has been set up by the Vancouver Sun. We don’t have control over that.

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            • Steve
              June 9, 2011

              Daniel, he’s a typical Boston fan. He’ll just complain about the Canucks dirty play, then when they do anything of the sort, its just. Just ignore this idiot who ha a biased opinion. Hell, he’s so off he might just be trolling you. Stay strong, and don’t give into the flame war. It’s one thing I admire in PiTB.

              By the way, I’m not saying what the Canucks did is just and what Boston did is wrong, I’m saying its time Boston fans make up their mind on what they think.

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      • baparick
        June 9, 2011

        Daniel :are you the host of this page ? Please stop swearing or I will report you to the FCC !!!
        If only you could bottle that emotion and send it to the Sedin sisters……..yea , thats the ticket.

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    • peanutflower
      June 9, 2011

      Bruin person just go away. This is not the place for you. http://forum.canucks.com/index.php is where you should go and mingle with the rest of the horde.

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  24. bob
    June 9, 2011

    The Bruins realized the only way to beat Vancouver who are a superior team, was to mess with their heads. This is the same thing that goes on at international events. The other countries realize Canada is the best, so they have to mess with emotions. By penalizing Rome (when Horton was clearly all set to get up and not injured) that freaked Vancouver out and they stopped being aggressive. That’s where it all started, and it went downhill from there. Add to that the tacky Bruins fans who, like most Americans, don’t understand the difference between supporting your team and assault (really, pouring beer over a Canucks fan’s head? ), and the Canucks came unglued.
    Too bad Boston couldn’t have just played the game, fair and square. But no, they’ll do whatever it takes to win the Cup.

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    • Steve
      June 9, 2011

      I think he is actually hurt, and no one should be injured for either teams. In my mind it was the right call, and the right suspension too. Also, they would NEVER keep Horton out of the lineup on purpose, he’s too valuable.

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  25. BECanucks
    June 9, 2011

    Thou shall trust in Luongo.

    And honestly, I persist in thinking this is the second (maybe the third, if we count the 1st round) coming of the Voldemort Game. That lead them to success.

    I feel quietly confident. It’s not going to be easy. It’s going to cost bone, sweat and blood. But the Canucks are going to prevail.

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  26. kim r
    June 9, 2011

    I love you guys. Can’t recall if there’s been any hockey for the past four days or so, but love the Spidey cartoon. Thanks for the clear-headed analysis and the humor.

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  27. kim r
    June 9, 2011

    Who do I speak to about the quality of trolls here? This Bruins guy sucks:

    BruinsAreAlive June 9, 2011 at 2:30 pm #

    I think I hurt your feelings. I apologize. I am out of here.

    and then:

    BruinsAreAlive June 9, 2011 at 2:33 pm #

    Ehrhoff had every “opportunity” to drop the gloves … he chose not to … but if we are to listen to critically canuck, he didn’t drop his purse.

    Again .. I am out of here …

    Maroon.

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    • PetriSkriko
      June 9, 2011

      The obvious troll is too obvious, which means one of two things:

      1) It is a tween boy going through the angst of puberty

      2) It’s actually Harrison posing as a troll. Notice he keeps asking Harrison to write the next IWTG… I’m on to you, Mooney.

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      • Harrison Mooney
        June 9, 2011

        If I were the troll, I’d rip myself to throw people off the trail. Also, Daniel and I have been alternating IWTG duties throughout this series, so it wouldn’t make much sense for me to push for game 5, a responsibility that I already had.

        In truth, I thought this was BAA’s lowest tactic. Seriously, trying to play two friends against one another by tearing down Daniel’s writing as he builds mine up? What a vile, scummy, gutless thing to do. Are we sure this chowderhead isn’t actually Satan himself?

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        • Daniel Wagner
          June 9, 2011

          Besides, filling this IWTG with jokes would have felt disingenuous. There was nothing humorous about that game, so I didn’t find much room for jokes, hence the silly video and gif to artificially lighten the mood.

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  28. Mrsdualcitz
    June 9, 2011

    WOW! That is one classy article!

    To the Vancouver Fans ready to put “LOU” under the bus,shame on you! I lived in Minnesota this year (and have a home in Montreal),and thanks to NHL package,really saw
    the CANUCKS for the first time for 60 games.(also Central Time Zone)
    He GOT you in the PLAYOFFS-The PResident Trophy-He is a VEZINA Finalist.I think he deserves a little more RESPECT!

    Where wer the “twins:these series”???? Your Twins remind me of my Canadiens,the best players ,show up every 4 games and go gangbusters. Torres on first goal????Just staring ?
    This is PLAYOFF HKY,you LOSE AS A TEAM!

    You dont throw your G under the bus,and Say “thanks for everything”but you played 2 bad games,so we are going with our backup???? WT Heck!

    Most importantly ,you are showing Boston a sign of weakness and desperate Hky!
    Start getting your players to play.You need 4 to win the Stanley CUP!

    Vigneault deserves better,LOU deserves better,he has carried this team more often than NOT!

    I have watched series in other years,that have gone OT,3,4 because it wass 1-1! LOU??maybe????

    He didnt lose his Vezina trophy qualities overnight! DYA think some players got lazy in the last 2 games.Thomas is playing his A game,and so are the less talented Bruins.

    Stop whining and get behind your goalie! i AM!

    I want the cup so bad for LOU and Vancouver it hurts.Stop whining and get BEHIND ALL Your Whole Team,

    I saw a post about CHARA.CHARA has done Nothing during these series!He has gone awal ,like the SEDINS!

    YOu can do it,but do not stop being fans now! You are 2 games away from the big Prize!

    Go Canucks!

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    • baparick
      June 10, 2011

      agree with most of what you say , especially about loyalty to your players.If you think it doesn’t matter to players what the fans think , then guess again.
      don’t agree that Chara has done nothing. the best players don’t look like they are moving , his positioning makes it look effortless.
      what’s his plus/minus in the last 2 games ?
      ancient proverb : you are only as good as your last game……………then you have to prove it again……….
      trying to be civil

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      • Daniel Wagner
        June 10, 2011

        I agree with this: Chara was very good in the last two games, though he was exposed slightly in the first two games. It will be interesting to see how that progresses.

        And I definitely agree that players are aware of what the fans think of them, but there has to be an understanding that the most vocally negative fans are not necessarily the most numerous.

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  29. YVRRocks
    June 9, 2011

    What a refreshing article, and equally refreshing fan comments. Thank you for restoring my belief that everyone hasn’t crawled under a rock and given up on our team. The past few days I’ve felt so disgusted and embarrassed with some of the reporting that has been going on. Go Canucks! We can still do this!

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  30. bob m
    June 9, 2011

    the article is not honest when one reads the line, “burrows bumped” Thomas’ goal stick….”bumped” -nice minimization, the same tactic that snitches use when i work with them when trying to suss out their proffer when pleading guilty to felonies. It was a slash and no one picked up on it, which says a lot about either the reading comprehension or the honesty of the readers themselves…
    minimization is a constant theme in canuck land

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    • Daniel Wagner
      June 9, 2011

      Bumped is downplaying it a bit, I admit, but it was unintentional. I was going for alliteration with Burrows and butt-end. In any case, hacking a stick is not the same as hacking the side of a knee. Note: I did say that both Burrows and Thomas had it coming to them.

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  31. Zelmo
    June 9, 2011

    I want to know which douchebag of a reporter asked Luongo how he felt about the reaction at Rogers to him being pulled?

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    • peanutflower
      June 9, 2011

      Considering it was the reaction to HNIC’s cameras being on the crowd it was really a crappy question (can I say shitty on this blog?) Quick, someone find Luongo’s twitter address or whateveryoucallit so we can let him know it’s all a mistake and we love him, we really do!

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      • Noodle
        June 10, 2011

        Greg Wyshynski of the Puck Daddy blog apparently.

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  32. baparick
    June 9, 2011

    Roberto LuGoneGo : some people call him a space cowboy , some call him the gangster ……

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  33. Anonymous
    June 9, 2011

    Whoa since when does PITB have persistent trolls that don’t write in poetry?

    Yeesh.

    I love reading your guys’ work, keep it up.

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  34. Oliversgirl
    June 9, 2011

    Ok I need to vent a bit and this seems like as good a place as any. As a Habs fan who genuinely likes the Canucks and would cheer for them even if they weren’t playing the Bruins, I am so sickened by how this series has turned. I’ve seen it so many times when the Habs play the Bruins. Bruins are down and re-direct the style of play to cheap shotting and goonery. Every. Damn, Time. I really wish Canucks would maybe smarten up a bit and not try to sink to the Bruins’ level so much, but the crap that Boston has gotten away with all year is disgusting (and I’m not just talking about the hypocricy in the aftermaths of the Chara hit vs. the Rome hit). I really really really hope the Canucks can re-group on home ice and turn this series around.

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    • baparick
      June 10, 2011

      You are correct when you say that the Bruins re-direct the style of play.They have stepped up and taken control of the game.By doing so they have shut down the Canucks , especially the neutral zone transition game.
      Look up and down the Bruins bench and you see super intensity from every player.
      Canucks look really lost.

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  35. MosesSupposes
    June 9, 2011

    I was out of the country for the Finals last year – so I have to ask – was there as much nastiness coming out of the fans and the media in the Flyers-Hawks series last year?

    Putting aside the trolls (if only we could), I can’t believe that (paid) journalists are making comments that I would be embarrassed to hear coming from my 12 year old son.

    I mean calling the Sedins “girls” (or some variation thereof). Really? Adults do this?

    I get that we have some players that people don’t like but neither the Flyers or Hawks were exactly cuddly.

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  36. Sach
    June 9, 2011

    Thanks for this well-thought out piece as usual.

    I’m also upset at the moron reporter who asked Lu how he felt when the VAN crowd cheered him getting pulled. People were cheering because he wouldn’t be hung out to dry like the last game, and were cheering for Cory coming in (as opposed to Lu going out). Those media people really deserve a punch in the face.

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    • peanutflower
      June 9, 2011

      I heard from folks at the game that they were cheering because HNIC cameras chose that fortiutous moment to swing over to them, thus it looked like they were cheering for Lu leaving whereas they were doing the typical cheering fan thing because the camera is on me thing. The current gos re the reporter who asked Lu that awful question and then reported his reaction is that is was Elliotte creep Friedman.

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      • Zelmo
        June 9, 2011

        Elliotte Friedman denied it via Twitter. My bet is it was a Boston guy.

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        • Noodle
          June 10, 2011

          I heard it was Wysh…anybody know for sure?

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  37. SteveB
    June 9, 2011

    Bless you for keeping a calm, level-headed viewpoint when so many others have lost the plot and flipped the pool.

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  38. Rob
    June 9, 2011

    So enjoying a calm discourse on the series. Compare these comments to the drivel after the Sun columnists. Good work all, keep it up.

    Moses reminded of a university drinking game 35 years ago. ‘Moses supposes his toeses are roses, but Moses supposes erroneously, for nobody’s toeses are roses as Moses supposes his toes to be.’

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    • Harrison Mooney
      June 9, 2011

      Ha! Moses Supposes! That’s one of my favourite bits from Singin’ in the Rain.

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  39. BruinsAreAlive
    June 9, 2011

    It all started after your little tooth fairy bit Bergeron. Then they make a mockery out of the incident. All of Vancouver laughed about it. It was ok to bite. It’s not ok for McQuaid to defend Marchand.

    The bottom line is that the Nucks are getting punched In the face, and don’t know how to react … and their sieve of a goalie isn’t helping.

    PS: Harrison is funny. This Daniel guy is not. You’re writing about a game everyone watched. We know what happened. Say something funny and insightful. We don’t need a play-by-play.

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    • Sanstanya
      June 9, 2011

      Other commentors are insightful/respectful. You’re a douchebag troll that still can’t figure out he’s in the wrong place. This blog isn’t meant for you. F off already. Seriously, why would anyone ever insist on being somewhere they truly were not welcome? Interesting character insight to say the least. Most of us now know not to bother reading your posts anyway so why not save yourself the effort.

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      • Nellyville
        June 10, 2011

        “why would anyone ever insist on being somewhere they truly were not welcome?”
        Wooow you Vancouver people are amazing Elitist A-Holes!! no wonder the WORLD wants you guys to lose! arent you guys the same people who got upset when you heard a bar in boston wouldnt let Vancouver fans inside?(happened in Vancouver also, butVancouver news failed to report it,hmm wonder why). just because a group of people do not want you somewhere doesnt make it right!! Your the type of person that woulda looked at martin luther king jr with disgust if he had the gaul to walk into a restaurant you was in, and then you would have left in disgust. why? be cause , “why would anyone ever insist on being somewhere they truly were not welcome?” Disgusting Vancouver Elitist Fan.

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        • peanutflower
          June 10, 2011

          “Gaul”? as in French person? Nelly, go back to rappin.

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      • baparick
        June 10, 2011

        Boo Hoo Hoo and Waa Waa Waa. Stop whining and namecalling.Why don’t you want to hear a different point of view?
        Are you insightful/respectful when you talk like that?
        Of course Bruins Are Alive and I could go to “Bruins Only” sites , but we like to read and respond to different opinions.I guess it is a form of democracy that socialists like Sanstanya will never understand.

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        • peanutflower
          June 10, 2011

          But you’re not really reading and responding to different opinions, are you? You’re just coming on here with the usual BS writtin in the usual BS style. Now, if your opinion were well phrased, insightful and written with some modicum of restraint you’d be most welcome here. But it’s not, so go away. You’d have a better time at the canucks.com forums, trust me.

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          • baparick
            June 10, 2011

            as if you are some authority (self-appointed)on the subject of dialogue.
            all you can muster up is to call it BS and say go away.

            You are the kid who took his ball and went home when things didn’t go his way.

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  40. Nellyville
    June 10, 2011

    P.S.

    Hey Harrison, Nice picture, black and gold baby!!!

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  41. Internet Reader
    June 10, 2011

    A lot of the hatred from Boston fans seems to be generated by the writers at NESN. This network is20% owned by the Bruins so it is expected that their employees will be team cheerleaders. In a country suffering with tremendous unemployment you can hardly begrudge a writer doing as he is told in order to keep his job. So that leaves you to wonder why the Bruins management wishes to ratchet up the irrational behavior of Bruins fans by publishing some truly sick minded posts such as the one that wished Manny Malholtra to go blind and hoped that the Canuck charter would crash. Leaving the products of disturbed minds on their website certainly reflects poorly on NESN management and their owner – the chairman of the NHL Board of Directors.

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  42. Chicky
    June 10, 2011

    So, who do we call in Boston to let them know they’ve left the village gate open?

    Anyone got a number for that?

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  43. Black&Gold
    June 10, 2011

    I’ve watched the replay of the Marchand/McQuaid fight quite a few times, seems to me you missed quite a few parts.

    -Marchand pulls down Erhoff, penalty called, Marchand touches up, whistle blown.
    - Sedin taked two strides after whistle planning on taking out Marchand, again, after the whistle.
    -Marchand upends Sedin, not the classiest move, but taking a run after the whistle isn’t squeeky clean either.
    -Marchand/Ballard drop gloves, Erhoff tries to jump in as 3rd man.
    -McQuaid engaged with Oreskovich, gloves on, Erhoff grabs McQuaid by the face, McQuaid pops him. Fail to see anything dirty there.
    -Erhoff realizes his error and wants no part of McQuaid, turtles until ref saves him.

    So if you can point out where McQuaid was dirty, besides fighting a player who jumped him from behind, I’d like to see it.

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    • Daniel Wagner
      June 10, 2011

      After “discussing” this event ad nauseam already in this comment section, I’ve somewhat lost interest in it, but I’ll try to rile myself up a little:

      Here are the phrases where your argument breaks down: “Sedin…planning on taking out Marchand,” “McQuaid pops him. Fail to see anything dirty there,” and “Ehrhoff realizes his error.”

      Let’s address these phrases one by one. Firstly, Daniel Sedin has never, ever, in his entire life taken someone out other than his wife. You see a guy looking to make a hit after the whistle, I see a guy upset that his teammate just got clotheslined and wanting to grab Marchand to initiate a scrum. Again, this is the same thing that’s been happening all series long. Instead of turning and grabbing Daniel and leading to another rousing edition of Let’s-All-Shove-Our-Gross-Smelling-Gloves-In-Each-Other’s-Faces (look for the home edition of the game in stores this Fall), Marchand hipchecks him. Look, I’m a big defender of the Sedins and their toughness, but their toughness does not come from hitting opponents. They just don’t do it. If Marchand was worried about Daniel Sedin hitting him, then Marchand may be a bit of a wuss, and I don’t think that’s true. I think Marchand just saw an opportunity to take out one of the Canucks’ best players and took advantage of it. For Bruins’ fans, that’s probably praiseworthy, which is understandable. But don’t try to defend the action using the claim that Daniel was taking a run at him because it’s laughable. Defend it on the basis that it’s a dick move and every team needs a dick or two.

      Second phrase: “McQuaid pops him. Fail to see anything dirty there.” You don’t see anything dirty about punching a player in the face with your gloves on? It’s a sucker-punch that gave Ehrhoff no chance to defend himself and drew blood. Again, this all takes place in the same type of scrum that we’ve had all series. People have shoved gloves in faces, stuck fingers in mouths (or attempted to do so), and jabbed at each other, but a full-on sucker punch that draws blood is crossing a line. So’s biting for that matter, just so you don’t think I’m just saying this because it was a Bruins player. I’m not a fan of scrums after the whistle, but I understand why they happen and I understand what’s considered normal gamesmanship and what is cheap. The sucker punch was cheap.

      Thirdly, you claim that “Ehrhoff realizes his error” when he had no desire to fight McQuaid in the first place. He never dropped his gloves and did not anticipate getting punched in the face by a player who had not removed his own gloves. At what point was he supposed to “realize his error”? He was already bleeding and trying to skate away when McQuaid came after him the second time. Of course he turtled: he was already bleeding from a sucker punch and wasn’t interested in fighting in the first place. You said it yourself, Oreskovich was right there, a guy who does have experience fighting, and McQuaid instead went after Ehrhoff. Claiming that Ehrhoff “jumped him from behind” is over-stating what occurred so that it seems more reasonable for McQuaid to sucker punch him.

      Look, I get it: Marchand and McQuaid are your players and you want to defend their actions. The easiest way to do so is to describe those actions as reasonable reactions to what Sedin and Ehrhoff were doing, but it just isn’t so. And that’s okay, really it is. Players on both teams have done some cheap and dirty things in this series. The same can be said for pretty much every Stanley Cup Final series ever. But denying that it was a cheapshot and somehow turning that story into further cheapshots by the Canucks (“taking a run after the whistle” “jumped him from behind”) is disingenuous.

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  44. pmoron
    June 10, 2011

    There’s another thing about Lou. He’s changed his style a little in every series to adjust to the other team’s style of play. If he hadn’t done that the run could have been over in the 1st round! There’s also the little fact that Thomas has been playing goal for about 8 or so years longer than LuLu. And he was NOT this good 8 years ago.

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  45. Black&Gold
    June 10, 2011

    It’s pretty simple, if you don’t want to get punched, don’t grab a guy buy the face. To call that dirty would be disingenuous in my opinion, as is saying Sedin was trying to “grab” Marchand. There is zero attempt at that, he was going to hit him, Marchand pulled a dick move, Sedin ended up on his butt.

    Marchand’s a pain in the ass, thats his game, and yes he goes overboard sometimes. I’m sure CL had another chat with him after the game to reel him in. I just personally think you’re way off on McQuaid, he’s been tough all season, but not dirty. He obvioulsy has no problem defending himself, so Erhoff can take note of that next time he’s grabbing a guys face.

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  46. baparick
    June 11, 2011

    hats off to VC.outstanding turnaround by Roberto.brilliiant bank pass by Bieksa to Lapierre.
    total team effort.I thought they were done after collapse in Boston.pure grit and determination in game 5.
    I’m starting to like this team.

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